Finders Keepers USA Dents Run National Press Release

[GoDeep]

Notably absent from the most recent press release and compelling evidence not previously seen:

2 days after the dig, private emails between PA DCNR counsel (Audrey Miner) and the FBI counsel(K.T. Newton) Commentary added based upon the existing record. Keep in mind, the intent of FK's legal counsel in seeking out the private communications and files in a hope that, in their private communications, they spoke freely about what actually occurred at the dig site.

In pertinent part:

-On March 16, 2018, two days after the dig ended, Newton (FBI) emailed Miner (PA DCNR) that “we are all disappointed and scratching our heads over the several scientific test results.” They (the FBI and counsel for the FBI) were disappointed as the scientific tests (notably the Enviroscan), indicated something was there and per their statement, they came up empty handed.

-On March 28, Miner (Pa DCNR) asked Newton(FBI) for an update on the federal investigation, telling him/her “the gold story still has legs, and the DCNR is now getting a lot of ‘gold-diggers’ interested in Dent’s Run.”

-Newton (FBI) replied "“For your knowledge only … we have no other scientific evidence, other than what the excavation had been based on, that any gold is hidden in that area.” Again, the FBI is confirming that they have no scientific evidence beyond the original scans that the the dig was based upon.

-Miner(Pa DCNR) emailed back: “I guess you can’t come right out and state there is no gold to be found at Dent’s Run?” Pay careful attention to that wording. Miner is no longer asking if gold was found, Miner is asking if "there is no gold to be found", ...."to be", is future tense, meaning there could still be gold somewhere out there at Dent's run.

-Newton (FBI) replied "“Unfortunately, we cannot,” Confirming, yes, it could still be out there somewhere.

K.T. Newton is an Assistant United States Attorney with the United States Attorney’s Office for the
Eastern District of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia). She is the dedicated prosecutor working with the
Philadelphia-based FBI Art Crime Team agents, and also prosecutes financial crimes and large
scale drug trafficking rings. She has received the Director’s Award from the Department of Justice,
has twice been named as the Prosecutor of the Year by the Delaware Valley Chapter of the
International Association of Financial Crimes Investigators, and has received several citations from
the United States Secret Service and the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Audrey Feinman Miner was appointed Chief Counsel to the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources during June 2015.
Prior to that appointment, Miner was senior counsel with the Department of Health

 

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[Tpmetal]

11x10=110 I can think of areas that are similar.
In the rural see an emergency anything, and it was lets go take a look. Nothing changes, still staying the same, folks are curious creatures.
Please nobody say it's so rural they aren't connected.
Still everyone is claiming that they saw, but zitcho on the viral.
So much for the they saw......

have you been to the area? Cause it seems you really don't understand how rough and empty it is down there... with one main tourist road that runs through.. cliffs on either side nearly straight up and down. Most houses in a few places in a small group. the rest are hidden all over in the hills. I could drive down that road at night and have a half and half chance of anyone even seeing me at all, let alone good enough or long enough to take a pic. I am not saying there is gold. I am saying it is easily possible, actually no ill say it is PROBABLE that very few people saw this convoy and it is completely reasonable not to have photos all over social media. you are talking 1 person per square mile in terms of probability, most of which were probably inside their homes because it was night.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

GoDeep -

I've researched several of the Lost Confederate Treasury yarns. One thing you can say about the American Civil War - it's well documented. On a previous thread I detailed some thoughts on the research.

Bottom Line - Until there is evidence something was hidden, there really isn't much point in going out to look for it. Or it worrying about rumors about what somewhat may or may not have recovered.

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

 

[Tpmetal]

# 56. If true which it is because I believe you my friend, forget this Dents Runs, go search the town, which I would if live nearby.

When I am in that area I very rarely am searching for anything. I have family that is just northwest in Ridgeway, so i have been going to that area in pa for like 30 years, which has caused me to go down that road past dents run a few times in my life. I even went and visited Dennis himself to see his supposed Native American site a year or two ago which took me right past dents run. I will be clear though, I am not advocating there was gold, just trying to give a picture of the area and how it is very possible for something to take place and go mostly unnoticed.

If i was going to be looking for anything in that area it would be old silver mines. Many many stories of the natives in the immediate area trading with high grade silver ore during the early settlements of that area.

 

[GoDeep]

When I am in that area I very rarely am searching for anything. I have family that is just northeast in Ridgeway, so i have been going to that area in pa for like 30 years, which has caused me to go down that road past dents run a few times in my life. I even went and visited Dennis himself to see his supposed Native American site a year or two ago which took me right past dents run. I will be clear though, I am not advocating there was gold, just trying to give a picture of the area and how it is very possible for something to take place and go mostly unnoticed.

If i was going to be looking for anything in that area it would be old silver mines. Many many stories of the natives in the immediate area trading with high grade silver ore during the early settlements of that area.

I definitely see your point and agree, yes, it is isolated. My point was that another poster commented that, why was there no pictures of all these armored trucks (which the number has grown from 2 to now 5)? Some replied essentially, "because there is no people there, it's a ghost town" And my point was, FK himself said 15 people were interviewed near the site. I only ever saw one interview. Regardless, it's kind of a pointless debate, doesn't matter if there were 2 people or 20, no armored trucks or 5, it doesn't get us any closer to question, "Did the FBI find gold". The FBI has twice denied and recently recovered private communications between counsels also reveal nothing was found.

 

[chub]

Even with so few houses they must surely have heard *ALL the helicopters ??

Chub

 

[Tpmetal]

I definitely see your point and agree, yes, it is isolated. My point was that another poster commented that, why was there no pictures of all these armored trucks (which the number has grown from 2 to now 5)? Some replied essentially, "because there is no people there, it's a ghost town" And my point was, FK himself said 15 people were interviewed near the site. I only ever saw one interview. Regardless, it's kind of a pointless debate, doesn't matter if there were 2 people or 20, no armored trucks or 5, it doesn't get us any closer to question, "Did the FBI find gold". The FBI has twice denied and recently recovered private communications between counsels also reveal nothing was found.

my point was to only to highlight people claiming it would be all over social media and so on, that it is entirely possible that it wouldn't be. even if 12 people saw these things in various places, chances of them bothering to take a photo is slim, let alone posting it to social media.

 

[chub]

where I come from helicopter at night = escaped convict.....that puts people on high alert.... I can hear the main freeway at night over 2 miles away....I can hear Lions roar at the Lion park also a little less that 2 miles away...I can hear jets flying over at night... I live relatively remotely on a farm....similar population density

way back in other threads FK stated that he has found MANY treasures .... so... take 2. Lets do it again but this time based on reality

chub

 

[Tpmetal]

where I come from helicopter at night = escaped convict.....that puts people on high alert.... I can hear the main freeway at night over 2 miles away....I can hear Lions roar at the Lion park also a little less that 2 miles away...I can hear jets flying over at night... I live relatively remotely on a farm....similar population density

way back in other threads FK stated that he has found MANY treasures .... so... take 2. Lets do it again but this time based on reality

chub

Simple question chub, have you been there to that location? is your farm surround closely by canyon and mountains hundreds of feet high? People who haven't been there just don't get it. that sound is not going too far around there.

 

[wainzoid]

Most of this area has no cell service. Internet is probably satellite since there is no cable and probably no DSL. Heck we only get 2 radio stations at camp.
March would be the least active month for camp life, but on a nice weekend in September there would be hundreds if not thousands of people in the area viewing the bugling elk.

 

[Tpmetal]

Most of this area has no cell service. Internet is probably satellite since there is no cable and probably no DSL. Heck we only get 2 radio stations at camp.
March would be the least active month for camp life, but on a nice weekend in September there would be hundreds if not thousands of people in the area viewing the bugling elk.

Yes, never caught the timing for the elk. But I hear it is pretty neat.

 

[GoDeep]

Jeff of Pa, you being the research guru expert extraordinaire, what have you found in old papers around the time the alleged payroll gold went missing?

I've read too that bodies were found and wagons and that even a investigator came in to investigate and allegedly a few of the bars were found? I would have thought the papers at the time would have been all over this.

Just curious if you've ever come across anything to back up the legend?

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Just a point I’d like to make, having actually spent time in remote sparsely populated mountain communities.

There are NO SECRETS. Everyone knows everything that has happened within the entire drainage.
If you personally saw it or not, you will have talked to someone who’s cousin heard his brother in law say his sister said such and such. Could be some telephone games going on, but there is always some element of truth to things.

So that part of this discussion is misleading...that because it’s sparsely populated no one saw or heard anything.
They know everything that goes on and who drives in front of their houses (especially unusual activity at night or helicopters).

 

[wingmaster]

Ann email saying how disappointed thet were is by no means proof nothing was found, as far as pictures the FBI has more than a dozen videos they refuse to release . Like I said the FBI should be ashamed of themselves for treating FK like that . Would you like to be treated like that for showing the FBI a trove of treasure like that. They agreed to let FK watch the dig and didn't...WHY IS THAT ?

I wouldn't have to worry about that as I'm smarter than that to begin with, would anybody that has any brains think anything different would happen?

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

No, not a stretch at all. Until the scene is processed and the evidence collected and examined, they don't know how old it is or what evidence may be uncovered. Could be 40 years old, could be 140. Remember, they don't just take the word of the reporting witness as to its age and what may or may not be under the ground. Imagine if they started digging, only to find some buried goods from a mobster and 20 bodies piled in there. That's a stretch, but it illustrates the point why this was treated as a crime scene, complete with a warrant.

Not to put too fine a point on it ...but what was the FBI doing there? What crime? What did the warrant give them permission for? Certainly it wasn't about civil war anything.

This would be an historical or antiquities thing. Strongest legal issue would be to return any misappropriated values to rightful places.

Why would that: require secrecy?; working 24/7?; excluding any observers? ; denying the press?

 

[FreeBirdTim]

Ann email saying how disappointed thet were is by no means proof nothing was found, as far as pictures the FBI has more than a dozen videos they refuse to release .

What proof is there of "more than a dozen" videos made by the FBI? And why on earth would they need to make a dozen videos? And most important, if their intent was to steal the alleged gold, they sure as heck wouldn't have made ANY videos of their alleged crime, not to mention more than a dozen. Doesn't make sense to me at all.

 

[GoDeep]

Not to put too fine a point on it ...but what was the FBI doing there? What crime? What did the warrant give them permission for? Certainly it wasn't about civil war anything.

This would be an historical or antiquities thing. Strongest legal issue would be to return any misappropriated values to rightful places.

Why would that: require secrecy?; working 24/7?; excluding any observers? ; denying the press?

You bring up some good points. The truth is, none of us, including Finders Keepers, know what they were really there for. There is some circumstantial evidence in the video that it was for possible Stolen Civil war gold as some of the questions between the attorneys were on that subject, even a possible release of the back story was in there conversations should something be found. Until we see the warrant, we don't know exactly what they were after.

As far as sealing the site to all non essential personnel, this is standard operating procedure when processing a scene, remember, they don't KNOW what they are going to find until they dig, so they are going to follow protocol. Imagine if they started digging and dug up multiple bodies and a cache from the 1970's and have all kinds of people already mulling around your crime scene because you assumed it was just a stove or old Indian burial. No sir, nothing unusual about them sealing the scene while processing it.

 

[GoDeep]

What proof is there of "more than a dozen" videos made by the FBI? And why on earth would they need to make a dozen videos? And most important, if their intent was to steal the alleged gold, they sure as heck wouldn't have made ANY videos of their alleged crime, not to mention more than a dozen. Doesn't make sense to me at all.

It is my understanding that the FBI records department indicated there are several videos.

You bring up a great point, if FK's position is that they are just lying (we now have the official FBI spokesman denying on 2 separate occasions 3 years apart anything was found) and we also now have lead counsel for the FBI, K.T. Newton, in private emails, saying nothing was found, then they'd have made sure nothing in the record would contradict them. I'd bet lead counsel for the FBI doesn't want to risk her law license by lying for the FBI.

We'd need so many people lying and covering up, from attorneys, to career prosecutors, to FBI agents, to records keepers, to supervisors, to Armored car drivers to vault and evidence processors etc etc, it's much more likely nothing was found.

 

[Gold Maven]

You bring up some good points. The truth is, none of us, including Finders Keepers, know what they were really there for. There is some circumstantial evidence in the video that it was for possible Stolen Civil war gold as some of the questions between the attorneys were on that subject, even a possible release of the back story was in there conversations should something be found. Until we see the warrant, we don't know exactly what they were after.

As far as sealing the site to all non essential personnel, this is standard operating procedure when processing a scene, remember, they don't KNOW what they are going to find until they dig, so they are going to follow protocol. Imagine if they started digging and dug up multiple bodies and a cache from the 1970's and have all kinds of people already mulling around your crime scene because you assumed it was just a stove or old Indian burial. No sir, nothing unusual about them sealing the scene while processing it.

If they were going to seal the scene, why did they let them watch the first day?

 

[GoDeep]

If they were going to seal the scene, why did they let them watch the first day?

Did they? I'll have to research the record. I thought they were told to wait in their car both days while they dug and were lead up to the site after digging was done?

Edit, here's a more recent statement, indicates they were told to stay in their car both days, i'll research even further back later today:

The FBI said we could be on site when they dug up the gold, but they made us stay in our car 6 hrs each day.