First Roman Coin UPDATE New Discovery

[goldnow]

UPDATE;...Spent one man hour and two dog hours going over and around the area I found the Roman coin two days ago. The chestnut leaves are 4 inches thick, so I'm not getting the depth I would like, but still came up with something interesting only five paces uphill from the Roman coin hole. I have added two more pictures below of the find.

It is bronze, and a rim piece of some sort of vessel or vase. It looks to be, I'm guessing/hoping/praying it also is Roman, as that would lend some good hope to find the "unmentionable" first on anybody's list. It came out of the ground pretty much as you see it, with no crud, decay, or whatever, with a light green patina on the inside side.

Anybody here can identify it?

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Frustrated, as Wifey took the car, I decided to tweek the Tesoro for some deeper hits on my own land that I have done relentlessly since August. Surprisingly, I got a few whatsits, a couple of old coins, and then a crusty unreadable coin, on land I've been over a couple of times.

Dropped the crusty coin into some olive oil, waited, did some thumbnail rubbing, and I think, I hope, I got my oldest coin so far, a Roman. (My oldest to date is a silver circa 1600.) The crusty was only 5" down in undisturbed land.

The first two pics are the coin out of the ground after a light rinse.
The rest of the pics are "afters" in different angles. The back has not been cleaned , but it looks like a man standing with a staff (2nd to last pic).

Not being able to get an ID from the internet, Romans being an endless-never-ending subject, I was hoping someone could help me date and identify this find.

 

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[goldnow]

Re: First Roman Coin (I hope) ID Please

Nice find! Looks like a bronze Domitian Dupondius,that would be 81-98 AD,way to go my man! kane 23

Agreed, I can see the faint DOMIT

http://time-lines.co.uk/domitian-moneta-as-011323-18185-0.html
Might be the one above, if not it is a Domitian Dupondus or AS

Cru, I knew the Roman coins were a deep long subject, so avoided studying them until I had some in hand. This first one supports my "fear". They sure had very little imagination in style changes over their centuries, and yet had more minute variations than I would have thought. As well as having the same Caesar having many different artist renditions of their faces.


When I watched your many posts of Roman coin finds, I was always at a lost to grasp the subject. Though, I think I will enjoy delving deeper into the Romans as they hopefully appear for me.

I'm heading up higher on my mountain in a few minutes to scout some new areas. Tough walk through hard scrub and prickly bushes. The last time I was there I found a live WWII mortar right away, so haven't returned since. The military blew it up last week, finally, after around 6 weeks. They said it was a "healthy bomb".

Thanks, everyone, for your input,
Goldnow

 

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[CRUSADER]

Re: First Roman Coin (I hope) ID Please

Nice find! Looks like a bronze Domitian Dupondius,that would be 81-98 AD,way to go my man! kane 23

Agreed, I can see the faint DOMIT

http://time-lines.co.uk/domitian-moneta-as-011323-18185-0.html
Might be the one above, if not it is a Domitian Dupondus or AS

Cru, I knew the Roman coins were a deep long subject, so avoided studying them until I had some in hand. This first one supports my "fear". They sure had very little imagination in style changes over their centuries, and yet had more minute variations than I would have thought. As well as having the same Caesar having many different artist renditions of their faces.


When I watched your many posts of Roman coin finds, I was always at a lost to grasp the subject. Though, I think I will enjoy delving deeper into the Romans as they hopefully appear for me.

I'm heading up higher on my mountain in a few minutes to scout some new areas. Tough walk through hard scrub and prickly bushes. The last time I was there I found a live WWII mortar right away, so haven't returned since. The military blew it up last week, finally, after around 6 weeks. They said it was a "healthy bomb".

Thanks, everyone, for your input,
Goldnow

I have deliberately let Cru'Dad specialise in these. He had the keen interest, so he has over 6 good books on the subject. I took more of an interest in British Medieval Hammered. So as a team we have both bases covered. Recently I have been buying the 10 Volume series of Roman Imperial Coinage, some have more than 1 part, so its a 14 book set. These books are over 1.5inches thick, 1 being 2.5inches, they are not cheap as well! Nearly got them all & will present Cru'dad the set for Xmas.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that your right, its very complicated. Often a few letters different makes it a different emporer. The reverse types do vary somewhat over time but many are repeated for different Emporers. Its a dangerous road to go down if your trying to match potraits, as many are similar, but also many Emporers vary depending on which mint it came from. The Obverse Legend (writing) is the only full proof method of IDing the Emporer. Then the size, weight & metal type can determine the denomination. Still there is far more to explain, but you get the idea

 

[birdman]

Re: First Roman Coin (I hope) ID Please

Roman coins rock!! I wish I was still in Europe. The history there is amazing!!You never know what is going to come out of the ground. Big congrats .I remember the thrill fondly.

 

[goldnow]

Re: First Roman Coin (I hope) ID Please

Nice find! Looks like a bronze Domitian Dupondius,that would be 81-98 AD,way to go my man! kane 23

Agreed, I can see the faint DOMIT

http://time-lines.co.uk/domitian-moneta-as-011323-18185-0.html
Might be the one above, if not it is a Domitian Dupondus or AS

Cru, I knew the Roman coins were a deep long subject, so avoided studying them until I had some in hand. This first one supports my "fear". They sure had very little imagination in style changes over their centuries, and yet had more minute variations than I would have thought. As well as having the same Caesar having many different artist renditions of their faces.


When I watched your many posts of Roman coin finds, I was always at a lost to grasp the subject. Though, I think I will enjoy delving deeper into the Romans as they hopefully appear for me.

I'm heading up higher on my mountain in a few minutes to scout some new areas. Tough walk through hard scrub and prickly bushes. The last time I was there I found a live WWII mortar right away, so haven't returned since. The military blew it up last week, finally, after around 6 weeks. They said it was a "healthy bomb".

Thanks, everyone, for your input,
Goldnow

I have deliberately let Cru'Dad specialise in these. He had the keen interest, so he has over 6 good books on the subject. I took more of an interest in British Medieval Hammered. So as a team we have both bases covered. Recently I have been buying the 10 Volume series of Roman Imperial Coinage, some have more than 1 part, so its a 14 book set. These books are over 1.5inches think, 1 being 2.5inches, they are not cheap as well! Nearly got them all & will present Cru'dad the set for Xmas.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that your right, its very complicated. Often a few letters different makes it a different emporer. The reverse types do vary somewhat over time but many are repeated for different Emporers. Its a dangerous road to go down if your trying to match potraits, as many are similar, but also many Emporers vary depending on which mint it came from. The Obverse Legend (writing) is the only full proof method of IDing the Emporer. Then the size, weight & metal type can determine the denomination. Still there is far more to example, but you get the idea

You mean if I want to study Roman coins properly, I better build some more shelves and get my Visa card ready.

 

[ivan salis]

Re: First Roman Coin (I hope) ID Please

roman coins are complex being it lasted such a long time with so many differant emperors and mints its staggering -- and often their worn a good bit as well -- it can be fun "finding the match" but it can be a pain as well. lol -- ivan

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: First Roman Coin (I hope) ID Please

Nice find! Looks like a bronze Domitian Dupondius,that would be 81-98 AD,way to go my man! kane 23

Agreed, I can see the faint DOMIT

http://time-lines.co.uk/domitian-moneta-as-011323-18185-0.html
Might be the one above, if not it is a Domitian Dupondus or AS

Cru, I knew the Roman coins were a deep long subject, so avoided studying them until I had some in hand. This first one supports my "fear". They sure had very little imagination in style changes over their centuries, and yet had more minute variations than I would have thought. As well as having the same Caesar having many different artist renditions of their faces.


When I watched your many posts of Roman coin finds, I was always at a lost to grasp the subject. Though, I think I will enjoy delving deeper into the Romans as they hopefully appear for me.

I'm heading up higher on my mountain in a few minutes to scout some new areas. Tough walk through hard scrub and prickly bushes. The last time I was there I found a live WWII mortar right away, so haven't returned since. The military blew it up last week, finally, after around 6 weeks. They said it was a "healthy bomb".

Thanks, everyone, for your input,
Goldnow

I have deliberately let Cru'Dad specialise in these. He had the keen interest, so he has over 6 good books on the subject. I took more of an interest in British Medieval Hammered. So as a team we have both bases covered. Recently I have been buying the 10 Volume series of Roman Imperial Coinage, some have more than 1 part, so its a 14 book set. These books are over 1.5inches think, 1 being 2.5inches, they are not cheap as well! Nearly got them all & will present Cru'dad the set for Xmas.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that your right, its very complicated. Often a few letters different makes it a different emporer. The reverse types do vary somewhat over time but many are repeated for different Emporers. Its a dangerous road to go down if your trying to match potraits, as many are similar, but also many Emporers vary depending on which mint it came from. The Obverse Legend (writing) is the only full proof method of IDing the Emporer. Then the size, weight & metal type can determine the denomination. Still there is far more to example, but you get the idea

You mean if I want to study Roman coins properly, I better build some more shelves and get my Visa card ready.

Exactly right, Cru'dad now has a new book shelf

 

[hodge]

Re: First Roman Coin (I hope) ID Please

I agree with the others...don't over clean it. The crud on it has taken the best part of 2k years to build up, identify it by all means...then stop. The crud is part of its history, leave a bit of crud & keep an element of mystery.
Enjoy your find, and good luck for future detecting.
hodge.

 

[goldnow]

Re: First Roman Coin (I hope) ID Please

I agree with the others...don't over clean it. The crud on it has taken the best part of 2k years to build up, identify it by all means...then stop. The crud is part of its history, leave a bit of crud & keep an element of mystery.
Enjoy your find, and good luck for future detecting.
hodge.

Thanks for the advice. This is my first bronze coin I've tried to clean and its coming out well, as I thumb scratch the dry crud off slowly, leaving a shiny surface and excellent patina. I'm leaving the crud along the edges of the figures and legends, of course , so the design is more defined, as you suggest.

I've tried to clean coppers, but they came out like crap and were even more unidentifiable than when I started. Never again.

I'll update this post with a final cleaned pic of the Roman.

Now that I know Romans are on my land and around, I want a Rotor-tiller for Christmas, guys.