Fusion crust?

[Red-Coat]

Well sadly this rock will remein a mystery because the costs for doing a test accurte was going to be 420 euro incl. tax. so i declined. Well is still is the best rock i have found in 40 years of rockhounding and looking for that one elusive meteorite.

? You said you were going to send a 20g sample to NEMS as I suggested in post #11

They charge $30 plus additional postage to return the sample if outside the USA.

Did you do that or not?

 

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[rockpassion]

Hi, i have contacted the and got a respond with a list of regulations to accept a rock for research but no i did not do that because there where to many obstacles and to high risk of lossing the fragment during shipping. I tried a cocal lab from the natural history museum in leiden. but to no eveil as i mentioned in the last post.

 

[Red-Coat]

Hi, i have contacted the and got a respond with a list of regulations to accept a rock for research but no i did not do that because there where to many obstacles and to high risk of lossing the fragment during shipping. I tried a cocal lab from the natural history museum in leiden. but to no eveil as i mentioned in the last post.

What "regulations"? Care to share them by copy and paste?

And you're worried about the possibility of losing 20g of your 15-16Kg specimen in the mail? Seriously?

If confirmed as a meteorite (and especially if confirmed as the type you believe it to be) it would have substantial value. I don't believe testing will confirm it to be a meteorite at all but, as things stand, you have an unidentified rock specimen with a value of pretty much zero.

 

[rockpassion]

What "regulations"? Care to share them by copy and paste?

And you're worried about the possibility of losing 20g of your 15-16Kg specimen in the mail? Seriously?

If confirmed as a meteorite (and especially if confirmed as the type you believe it to be) it would have substantial value. I don't believe testing will confirm it to be a meteorite at all but, as things stand, you have an unidentified rock specimen with a value of pretty much zero.

well that clears it. no point to move further.

 

[Red-Coat]

well that clears it. no point to move further.

How so?

As I said, you'd be taking on $30+ gamble with a risk of losing a mere 20g of your 15-16Kg rock for a possible much larger return if your belief that it's meteoritic is correct.

You didn't respond to my query about what "regulations" you are expected to comply with.

 

[rockpassion]

How so?

As I said, you'd be taking on $30+ gamble with a risk of losing a mere 20g of your 15-16Kg rock for a possible much larger return if your belief that it's meteoritic is correct.

You didn't respond to my query about what "regulations" you are expected to comply with.

i trashed the email with the regulations but they stated the you can only post samples with the local mail so not with dhl or fedex etc. And yes i don't want to lose any amount of this rock. just look what black beaty is selling for. and make the sum.

 

[Red-Coat]

i trashed the email with the regulations but they stated the you can only post samples with the local mail so not with dhl or fedex etc. And yes i don't want to lose any amount of this rock. just look what black beaty is selling for. and make the sum.

Although ‘Black Beauty’ (NWA 7034) has been sold for eye-watering prices (a 31g piece sold for $43,750 at Christies), you’re being totally unrealistic.

The high price for that meteorite is from a combination of it being a unique water-rich Martian polymict breccia and that fact that only 320 grams of it exists (of which 30g is on deposit at the University of New Mexico and unavailable to collectors).

By contrast, you have no evidence that your rock is any kind of meteorite (never mind something unique) and you have 15-16Kg of it. You’re not comparing apples with apples and, as I continue to point out, it’s pretty much worthless without some kind of expert assessment to prove it to be meteoritic (or not as the case may be.)

 

[russau]

Years back I had what I thought was a Meteorit so I brought it to the University of Missouri in St. Louis ,Mo where I live and they checked it out for me for free and thanked me for doing so ! They said it was nice to have something else different to look a for a change. They had several people look at it. I thanked them and offered them a nominal offer BUT they refused it !and I bid them ado ! I don't trust the mail either !

 

[flyadive]

I had a group of rocks that I thought were meteorites. I boxed them up and sent them out for identification. One of them was large and heavy so I cut off (as suggested )a piece and sent it with the other stones.
They ended up being Meteorwrongs!
They were magnet and appeared to have Fusion crust But they were actually slag.
If you actually have a meteorite crash into your home or find it on the ice of frozen a lake. Then you will have a possible meteorite!
Good luck and happy Hunting!

 

[rockpassion]

Although ‘Black Beauty’ (NWA 7034) has been sold for eye-watering prices (a 31g piece sold for $43,750 at Christies), you’re being totally unrealistic.

The high price for that meteorite is from a combination of it being a unique water-rich Martian polymict breccia and that fact that only 320 grams of it exists (of which 30g is on deposit at the University of New Mexico and unavailable to collectors).

By contrast, you have no evidence that your rock is any kind of meteorite (never mind something unique) and you have 15-16Kg of it. You’re not comparing apples with apples and, as I continue to point out, it’s pretty much worthless without some kind of expert assessment to prove it to be meteoritic (or not as the case may be.)

my apologies that i over reacted, but trust me this stone is special althought it can't be seen in the photo's i have seen allot of cool things in it that could prove it to be meteoritic. I will persue to get an xrf test the will also help allot.

 

[rockpassion]

I had a group of rocks that I thought were meteorites. I boxed them up and sent them out for identification. One of them was large and heavy so I cut off a piece and sent it along with them. They ended up being Meteorwrongs!
They were magnet and appeared to have Fusion crust.
If you see a meteorite crash into your home or find it on the ice of frozen lake. Then you will have a meteorite!
Good luck and happy Hunting!

i found this cool rock and it seems to have regmaglypts. need to clean it and take a better look. looks like an aubrite see 2th photo

 

[Red-Coat]

...I will persue to get an xrf test the will also help allot.

I sincerely doubt it. Have a read of this... specifically the section headed 'Handheld XRF analyzers' halfway down the page:

Meteorite testing | Some Meteorite Information | Washington University in St. Louis

sites.wustl.edu

That information is from Dr. Randy Korotev, one of the most respected experts in meteoritics.

 

[rockpassion]

I sincerely doubt it. Have a read of this... specifically the section headed 'Handheld XRF analyzers' halfway down the page:

Meteorite testing | Some Meteorite Information | Washington University in St. Louis

sites.wustl.edu

That information is from Dr. Randy Korotev, one of the most respected experts in meteoritics.

wow though topic those meteorites after hearing everything from many people i can better stop looking what's the point. i give up have a nice day and good luck hunting if you do. i am out of here and wil not post anymore.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Your one step past “I don’t want to cut into it because it might harm the (unknown value)”, to now “I don’t want to risk losing a small piece of it to have it identified due to the (unknown value).

Folks have given some input that you requested and you don’t like how that input is being presented.

Kind of silly to throw your toys down and stomp away from the sandbox.

I didn’t see anyone being rude. What I DO see is someone that has built it up in their head that they have struck gold and people are saying unlikely but have it checked out.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

If it’s got that much value to you, ship the specimen to a courier nearby via. FedEx and have the courier hand deliver it. Have the courier pick it up and ship it back to you via. FedEx. Just an idea.

 

[Red-Coat]

wow though topic those meteorites after hearing everything from many people i can better stop looking what's the point. i give up have a nice day and good luck hunting if you do. i am out of here and wil not post anymore.

I’m sorry you’re taking that way, but let’s just do a reality check:

- You have 15-16Kg of rock with a current value of practically zero.

- You believe it to be an achondrite meteorite; in fact you believe it to be of Martian origin. The odds are stacked against you.

- Currently there is zero (presented) evidence to suggest that your belief is correct, and you apparently have no real experience in meteoritics.

- You’re comparing its potential value with realised prices for a unique Martian specimen of which only 290g is available to the collector market. Even if your rock turns out to be Martian it may well be valuable, but won’t have that kind of value.

- It’s not possible to identify an achondrite meteorite from simple visual observation, nor from a portable XRF scanner. It would take expert testing by a laboratory with appropriate credentials to confirm it (or otherwise).

- I have suggested a laboratory with appropriate expertise who will perform the necessary tests for a very reasonable $30 plus postage costs. You’re unwilling to progress that route because it would risk losing just 0.13% of your specimen’s value if (but only if) the required sample went missing in the post. That seems to me to be a very reasonable risk, given the potential return if you are correct.

- @Tesorodeoro has suggested a possible route by which you could avoid a ‘lost in the post’ risk.

- You might also continue trying to find a laboratory in your home country prepared to undertake testing of a specimen delivered in person. I understand you are in the Netherlands. Have you tried contacting the Utretcht Meteorite Lab at Utrecht University? I don’t know if they undertake testing for the general public, how much they might charge, or whether they could suggest some other route you could progress, but you can contact them via this link:

https://utrechtmeteoritelab.sites.uu.nl/contact-us/

- Failing all that, as things stand, you have a large piece of rock (now split in two, I understand) that would serve as a splendid pair of bookends which you can tell all your friends you believe is a valuable Martian meteorite.

 

[artyfacts]

Actlabs use code, ICP/ICPMS. $280 plus shipping and custom fees of around $18.00. If you decide to send, you will need a 5 gram sample. Make sure that your sample is from the center of the rock avoiding as much possible terrestrial contamination as possible. If you decide to go for it they will send you your results and you can then compare them online with all the charts compiled by Randy Korotev at Washington University in St. Louis. Do this first before sending your results to him, he lists his email. He is now retired so don't send pictures or bother him with questions. He will look at your results ONLY from the whole rock analysis and advise. Have at it and sleep well.

 

[rockpassion]

I’m sorry you’re taking that way, but let’s just do a reality check:

- You have 15-16Kg of rock with a current value of practically zero.

- You believe it to be an achondrite meteorite; in fact you believe it to be of Martian origin. The odds are stacked against you.

- Currently there is zero (presented) evidence to suggest that your belief is correct, and you apparently have no real experience in meteoritics.

- You’re comparing its potential value with realised prices for a unique Martian specimen of which only 290g is available to the collector market. Even if your rock turns out to be Martian it may well be valuable, but won’t have that kind of value.

- It’s not possible to identify an achondrite meteorite from simple visual observation, nor from a portable XRF scanner. It would take expert testing by a laboratory with appropriate credentials to confirm it (or otherwise).

- I have suggested a laboratory with appropriate expertise who will perform the necessary tests for a very reasonable $30 plus postage costs. You’re unwilling to progress that route because it would risk losing just 0.13% of your specimen’s value if (but only if) the required sample went missing in the post. That seems to me to be a very reasonable risk, given the potential return if you are correct.

- @Tesorodeoro has suggested a possible route by which you could avoid a ‘lost in the post’ risk.

- You might also continue trying to find a laboratory in your home country prepared to undertake testing of a specimen delivered in person. I understand you are in the Netherlands. Have you tried contacting the Utretcht Meteorite Lab at Utrecht University? I don’t know if they undertake testing for the general public, how much they might charge, or whether they could suggest some other route you could progress, but you can contact them via this link:

https://utrechtmeteoritelab.sites.uu.nl/contact-us/

- Failing all that, as things stand, you have a large piece of rock (now split in two, I understand) that would serve as a splendid pair of bookends which you can tell all your friends you believe is a valuable Martian meteorite.

I have cooled down, and yes you are wright. but it is also to much fun here to leave. And yes i tried here in Leiden and they could test ift for me accurate but that will cost me 430 euro. i don't have that kind of mony laying around. Coollest ever bookends

 

[rockpassion]

Your one step past “I don’t want to cut into it because it might harm the (unknown value)”, to now “I don’t want to risk losing a small piece of it to have it identified due to the (unknown value).

Folks have given some input that you requested and you don’t like how that input is being presented.

Kind of silly to throw your toys down and stomp away from the sandbox.

I didn’t see anyone being rude. What I DO see is someone that has built it up in their head that they have struck gold and people are saying unlikely but have it checked out.

i am cooled down and your are wright. everyone means well i wants to help. and it is to much fun to post here to leave.

 

[rockpassion]

If it’s got that much value to you, ship the specimen to a courier nearby via. FedEx and have the courier hand deliver it. Have the courier pick it up and ship it back to you via. FedEx. Just an idea.

well i think with my luck it will be just an interesting earth rock. little unrealistic that someone finds a 16 kilo mars rock. but thanks for the idea but i don't know quite how to do that. sounds complicated.