George III Guinea Forgery

[Rip_Uk]

Out with a new club today and the usual finds appear; 3 buckles, medieval lead token, 4 modern coins, but we were lucky enough to win first place on the raffle.

It was a George III Guinea 1768 although it is a forgery.

As you can see from the photos the gold is wearing thin and revealing silver underneath. It is 22c Gold on top of Silver.

Anyone have any more info on this, I believe there is no silver George III Guinea, Half Guinea or Quarter Guinea so it must have been a blank silver coin stamped.

Awaiting more info from the club but thought we would share with you first.

 

[ironhorse]

Fakes can be cool, and that one is!

 

[CRUSADER]

Never heard of such a thing, they are normally gilt base metal.

 

[Rip_Uk]

Never heard of such a thing, they are normally gilt base metal.

Yes, cant find anything at all on the Internet although I was told it tested at 22c Gold (cant confirm yet).

 

[CRUSADER]

Yes, cant find anything at all on the Internet although I was told it tested at 22c Gold (cant confirm yet).

Happy enough its gold plated but the core is normally a copper-alloy. Why waste money on silver??

 

[Rip_Uk]

Happy enough its gold plated but the core is normally a copper-alloy. Why waste money on silver??

Yes I suppose, is there any other alternative, would any other metal not have deteriorated in the ground for so long?

 

[CRUSADER]

Yes I suppose, is there any other alternative, would any other metal not have deteriorated in the ground for so long?

I'm not saying it isn't silver because that is what it looks like & any copper & you would see some green. My point is only that I've never heard of them doing this. It could be an extremely rare example, maybe a first??

 

[Rip_Uk]

Sounds good, Ill look into it a bit more if I can, any idea of the value of this coin? it seems a solid 22c gold Guinea would go for around £200-£300.

 

[CRUSADER]

Sounds good, Ill look into it a bit more if I can, any idea of the value of this coin? it seems a solid 22c gold Guinea would go for around £200-£300.

Now thats a tough question but the US market for these would be 5 times stronger than ours. As I have only seen copper core types sold, I have no reference to base my value. I guess it all hinges on some good research & a good story.

 

[Rip_Uk]

I have acquired more info from the club; It was forged in Holbrook, Derbyshire, silver and gold dipped 22ct. Forger was hung alongside his accomplice from Shottle, Derbyshire. Coin found in Holbrook. Loosely agreed by a museum.

 

[CRUSADER]

I have acquired more info from the club; It was forged in Holbrook, Derbyshire, silver and gold dipped 22ct. Forger was hung alongside his accomplice from Shottle, Derbyshire. Coin found in Holbrook. Loosely agreed by a museum.

That will help the price.

 

[Rip_Uk]

I think we found a Roman Ounce Weight? Could you confirm?

It is lead with iron broken in the middle, and on the bottom side it is marked with IV.

 

[CRUSADER]

They didn't use ounces, as far as I remember. Hard to date it, it could be a Roman Steelyard Weight but you can't discount Medieval.

 

[Rip_Uk]

yes they did use Ounces, a Roman ounce was called a Uncia and measured 1⁄12 libra or 27.4g in todays terms, close to our metric ounce.

Although it could be medieval as it states on the finds database, yes you are right.

 

[CRUSADER]

yes they did use Ounces, a Roman ounce was called a Uncia and measured 1⁄12 libra or 27.4g in todays terms, close to our metric ounce.

Although it could be medieval as it states on the finds database, yes you are right.

Close but I thought they didn't match our todays ounce, but its getting hard for me to remember everything I read.

 

[metalev4]

A really interesting find, first I have seen or heard of.

 

[Westfront]

First class forgery with a silver core....interesting find for sure!

 

[Argentium]

Fascinating find there ! I agree that the info you've already found will enhance the value - especially if there are few or no other existing
pieces .