Gold ring

[Devarious]

Found this gold ring today metal detecting on the beach! My first gold ring with a rock!

 

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[DFW_THer]

1. the stone is not diamond and no one would mistake it for that
2. no it is not mounted as one normally would mount a precious stone

I'm curious too. How on EARTH can you look at those pictures from far away and say "that clearly isn't a diamond". Is it because of the size?..

 

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[Erik in NJ]

I will let the jewelers here chime in on that, but my uneducated guesses would be:

1. The cut of the stone has a lot of facets and may not be a cut that is used on a real diamonds.
2. The mount seems to obscure a large part of the stone. The whole purpose for the prong mounts on gem stones like that to my knowledge is to encourage more light to enter the stone, thus making it brighter.

Having said that I am far from an expert of gem stones so take my opinion for what it's worth. I do very much like to see the Swedish hallmarks and it's an unusual design--I hope the OP will post a clearer pic or provide more info on it soon.

No matter how you look at it it's a great find! Congrats again OP!

 

[park pirate]

Big gold congrats brother...

 

[jeweler21]

I'm curious too. How on EARTH can you look at those pictures from far away and say "that clearly isn't a diamond". Is it because of the size?..

Size has nothing to do with whether a stone is a diamond or not. Either my computer or his camera shows the stone as blue without the intensity of a colored diamond. The stone is set in a flex type head that makes it easy to set a stone that is easy to break or to set a stone quickly. The head has solid sides on it that do not let light through to the stone plus hides too much of the stone and if the mounting is bent the stone would pop right out of the ring.
And at three grams it is a very light weight ring, not one that a jeweler would put a valuable stone in.
With better photos, I could probably list several more reasons but I'm sure in visual contact with the ring, I would know from 4' or more away that the stone was not real.

 

[Gridwalker306]

I would be blathering pointlessly if I were to comment on the authenticity of either the metal or the stone in this case. However, this is an exciting thread! I would love the OP to post a bunch more pictures in different light.

 

[jeweler21]

All I know is this, old stones have very different cuts from today. I have a certified internally flawless, colorless, stone that cost more than some peoples car. I have older stones that the cut of yesterday doesn't do the stone justice. I also know this type of mount was popular in the early 80's backed by the claim the heavy sides protected the stone from hitting things from the side. Only go to a reputable jeweler. The type of jeweler that gets excited by your find instead of one who doesn't care cause your not buying something. The one that has been downtown in the same location for 30+ years. If this ring is from another country, custom made, who knows what that stone is. Topaz? Florescent diamond? Let us know and lets all stop arguing until we find out for sure. If the age is correct, they did not have today's tech to fake a stone other than glass. If it was a newer piece of jewelry I could see the Home Shopping network using 18k for some fake stone, but not in early 1900's. I am excited to see an update. All I know is I would rather find a fake ring than nothing at all......... score.

This type of thinking is the reason people think their 40 year old piece of jewelry has to be real. King Tut's tomb had fake stones in it that were made of glass, so hard that man has been unable to duplicate today. Synthetic carborundum (rubies & sapphires) have been made since the 1800's. You will find jewelry with natural zircons used to substitute diamonds for several hundred years that are pretty hard to tell the difference in a diamond and it has reached a point that some natural zircons are rarer and more expensive than a diamond of like size. I have seen mine cut diamonds prior to 1900 that revel the brilliance and beauty of modern-cut stones.
And jewelers working by hand three hundred years ago made chain drive watches that very few watch makers or jewelers today can repair or duplicate.
Very old jewelry can be exquisite in beauty and craftsmanship. Modern man does not hold the patent on craftsmanship.
Good Luck & HH

 

[MrMikeJackie]

This type of thinking is the reason people think their 40 year old piece of jewelry has to be real. King Tut's tomb had fake stones in it that were made of glass, so hard that man has been unable to duplicate today. Synthetic carborundum (rubies & sapphires) have been made since the 1800's. You will find jewelry with natural zircons used to substitute diamonds for several hundred years that are pretty hard to tell the difference in a diamond and it has reached a point that some natural zircons are rarer and more expensive than a diamond of like size. I have seen mine cut diamonds prior to 1900 that revel the brilliance and beauty of modern-cut stones.
And jewelers working by hand three hundred years ago made chain drive watches that very few watch makers or jewelers today can repair or duplicate.
Very old jewelry can be exquisite in beauty and craftsmanship. Modern man does not hold the patent on craftsmanship.
Good Luck & HH

Yet you can tell a fake from 4' away

 

[JimDon]

No one mentioned the possibility of a white topaz. I bought this one at a thrift store albeit mounted in only 10kt. It was mistakenly sold as Sterling.

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[masterjedi]

I have attended many gem and mineral shows over the years...
Beings jewelry is a forte of mine...
I have also attended jewelry shows... silver and gold shows... on and on...
Anyway...
The reason I am telling you this is because many of those shows had jewelers as venders... Some run of the mill... and some... were true artists...
I mean these guys came up with and pulled off some of the trickest crap man...
Many tried to always "out do" each other in ways...

One thing about large stones...
They are expensive... And a good clear one... VERY expensive...
So...
Settings had to be "functional" as "durable" YET they had to be "different" to sell...
Gobs of money can be spent on these pieces so "individuality" plays in this...
Anyway again...

Those marks... Scream "custom".
That look... screams custom.
IF
I repeat IF it were set in GP then I would say yeah stone is bunk... but further checking should take place.
So easy for a jeweler to switch stone out for a fake.

PS> A stone like that... IF (not if but IF= Internally flawless)... would be worth... OMG

Even a VVS etc ... sheeeshus man ... you found some DOUGH.

I bought and sold Jewelry for over 20 years with my own store... IMO ... This ring was never originally made this way. It was just a Gold wedding band that someone had the prongs and stone added at a later time. And yes a pro can just look at the way a diamond is cut and tell if its real or not. Then with a 10X loop look for any internal inclusions. Where it gets tricky is when a stone is cut correctly and also is internally flawless. This separates the pro's from the rest... Great ring! Great find!

 

[DFW_THer]

Size has nothing to do with whether a stone is a diamond or not. Either my computer or his camera shows the stone as blue without the intensity of a colored diamond. The stone is set in a flex type head that makes it easy to set a stone that is easy to break or to set a stone quickly. The head has solid sides on it that do not let light through to the stone plus hides too much of the stone and if the mounting is bent the stone would pop right out of the ring.
And at three grams it is a very light weight ring, not one that a jeweler would put a valuable stone in.
With better photos, I could probably list several more reasons but I'm sure in visual contact with the ring, I would know from 4' or more away that the stone was not real.

Isn't the blue from the blue sky?

 

[MrMikeJackie]

I bought and sold Jewelry for over 20 years with my own store... IMO ... This ring was never originally made this way. It was just a Gold wedding band that someone had the prongs and stone added at a later time. And yes a pro can just look at the way a diamond is cut and tell if its real or not. Then with a 10X loop look for any internal inclusions. Where it gets tricky is when a stone is cut correctly and also is internally flawless. This separates the pro's from the rest... Great ring! Great find!

I was thinking the same thing, does look like it was added on afterwards.

 

[pepperj]

I bought and sold Jewelry for over 20 years with my own store... IMO ... This ring was never originally made this way. It was just a Gold wedding band that someone had the prongs and stone added at a later time. And yes a pro can just look at the way a diamond is cut and tell if its real or not. Then with a 10X loop look for any internal inclusions. Where it gets tricky is when a stone is cut correctly and also is internally flawless. This separates the pro's from the rest... Great ring! Great find!

Would this ring setting called a "Half Bezel Setting"?

I would just pay the $ and get the appraisal done on the ring, most places will tell you upfront that it's only going to be an insurance value for the gold and not the setting if the ring isn't good. Sort of a retail replacement value, and that can be a verbal or written valuation.

I was called up by a neighbour friend to see if I could locate a diamond in their Rottie's stomach, as they figured the big dog slurped up the stone. I stated unless it had a setting/claw was still around the stone the detector would be of no use, the owner thought the setting was still on the stone so I gave it a try. The inline probe detected something in the bowels of the dog & 4 days later of filtering dog crap the $5500 stone/setting appeared. The jest of this story was the stone and setting was from an earring stud, that fell out of the simple drilled gold band and soldered. I said to them the simple truth that the ring was a piece of work (not in a good way) and they returned the parts to the company/jeweller and got a full refund. Yes there is good and the bad out there, yes there is switches made in stones, it is a fact if the person owns the store they're there to provide a service and to make a profit, and honesty is the norm but also there is the shady characters out there that would steal, cheat, pry on the unknowing in a hearts beat without a thought of remorse, to think any different one would have to have their head in the sand dune.

 

[masterjedi]

Would this ring setting called a "Half Bezel Setting"?

I would just pay the $ and get the appraisal done on the ring, most places will tell you upfront that it's only going to be an insurance value for the gold and not the setting if the ring isn't good. Sort of a retail replacement value, and that can be a verbal or written valuation.

I was called up by a neighbour friend to see if I could locate a diamond in their Rottie's stomach, as they figured the big dog slurped up the stone. I stated unless it had a setting/claw was still around the stone the detector would be of no use, the owner thought the setting was still on the stone so I gave it a try. The inline probe detected something in the bowels of the dog & 4 days later of filtering dog crap the $5500 stone/setting appeared. The jest of this story was the stone and setting was from an earring stud, that fell out of the simple drilled gold band and soldered. I said to them the simple truth that the ring was a piece of work (not in a good way) and they returned the parts to the company/jeweller and got a full refund. Yes there is good and the bad out there, yes there is switches made in stones, it is a fact if the person owns the store they're there to provide a service and to make a profit, and honesty is the norm but also there is the shady characters out there that would steal, cheat, pry on the unknowing in a hearts beat without a thought of remorse, to think any different one would have to have their head in the sand dune.

Most all people are not shady and always do the right thing... get more than 1 appraisal and you will know for sure...

 

[arnie161]

I am sooooo jealous !!! good find

 

[jeweler21]

Yet you can tell a fake from 4' away

No where did I say that I could tell a fake from four feet away. I said that that particular ring on visual contact I would probably be able to tell from four feet away.
If you are a professional in a field, it becomes easy to recognize mistakes or flaws in craftsmanship or quality that sets off alarms and "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, most likely it is a duck."
That is true, not just in jewelry but in any field that a person is a professional in.
Good Luck & HH