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While preparing an annotated bibliography of the Tayopa legend, I reread Milton Rose's "I Found a Lost Mine" (True West Sept.-Oct. 1958 [Vol. 6, No. 1], reprinted in GOLD! 1970 [Vol. 2, No. 1]. He states he wrote and published a "paper-bound booklet (pamphlet)" titled Golden Empires about the Lost Mine of the Padres, AKA Lost Mine of the Jesuits, AKA Lost Mines of the Estrellas (Stars) prior to 1930.

Has anyone here ever seen a copy of this little work?

Good luck to all,

The Old Boookaroo
 
2.0 - I did not find Rose's Golden Empires listed in either "Rascoe's" 1200 Treasure Books; A Bibliography (1970) nor in The Journals of El Dorado by von Mueller and Conatser (1977). It is not listed as a source in Probert's excellent work.

If none of them had or knew of a copy, it is a very rare item, indeed!

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo
 
I saw an unpublished Milton Rose manuscript last Summer, didn't catch the title though. Might make it back that way this Summer (God willing) so I'll keep my eye open. Also got my hands on some correspondence between Milton and KvM including KvM discussing the LUE. Interestingly, Karl mentions the "Tomb of the Missing Padre" in Treasure of the Valley of Secrets...wonder if there's a connection?
 
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I saw an unpublished Milton Rose manuscript last Summer, didn't catch the title though. Might make it back that way this Summer (God willing) so I'll keep my eye open. Also got my hands on some correspondence between Milton and KvM including KvM discussing the LUE. Interestingly, Karl mentions the "Tomb of the Missing Padre" in Treasure of the Valley of Secrets...wonder if there's a connection?
Randy - I hope you can obtain a copy of the Rose MS. Sounds most interesting. I've recently been reading about Rose and the "Father Kino Silver Bars" - quite a story!

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo
 
I have the first part of the series he wrote for TW, I need to round up the 2nd part apparently. He mentions "I'm Sick of Lost Mines!" This article was also responded to by Karl von Mueller in a letter that TW published. It was a rather long letter if memory serves me. Not long after, another letter appeared from Charlie Millen (I believe that's the name) who was writing about Karl and his collection of antiques at his house when he lived briefly in Salt Lake City. Seems like TW was a lot more intersting back then. :)
 
I have the first part of the series he wrote for TW, I need to round up the 2nd part apparently. He mentions "I'm Sick of Lost Mines!" This article was also responded to by Karl von Mueller in a letter that TW published. It was a rather long letter if memory serves me. Not long after, another letter appeared from Charlie Millen (I believe that's the name) who was writing about Karl and his collection of antiques at his house when he lived briefly in Salt Lake City. Seems like TW was a lot more intersting back then. :)
Randy -
"Millen, Charles G: A lifetime pursuer of buried treasure & mineral wealth. He has endowed numerous charities with the fruits of his successes. Commonly known as 'Charlie.'"

~ Encyclopedia of Buried Treasure Hunting, Karl von Mueller (1965)

The easiest (and lowest cost) way to run down those old True West articles is to obtain copies of GOLD! Years ago I picked up a complete run, and it is not for sale today.

As I wrote, the three-part Milton Rose "I Found a Lost Mine" series is reprinted in the 1970 GOLD! "Annual" (Vol. 2, No. 1). That same issue includes "I'm Sick of Lost Mines" by Dr. E.R. Harrington. And a series of letters received in response to that article when it was first published: "The Heck You Say, Dr. Harrington."

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo
 
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The “Lost Mine of the Padres” or the “Lost Mine of the Jesuits” could be in any one of several Southwestern states, or down in Old Mexico. There are several treasure yarns with those names. “Lost Mines of the Estrellas,” however, narrows it down to the Estrella Range in Pinal County, Arizona. More specifically, to “Montezuma’s Head Mountain.”

Probert’s Lost Mines and Buried Treasures of the West (1977) has several entries about this particular legend. One of them is Western Treasures, Lost & Found by “Jesse Ed Rascoe” [Ed Bartholomew] (1961). He links the “Lost Mine of the Stars” to Milton Rose. His Some Western Treasure Trails (1964) has the story of the “Spanish Bullion Plant” that owes a great deal (although without a citation) to John D. Mitchell’s “Don Joaquin and His Gold Mine” (Desert Magazine, May 1943, Vol. 6 No. 7 – Probert states it was first published in the Arizona Mining Journal).

Ray Howland wrote “The Lost Mine of the Stars” (Arizona Highways, February 1935, Vol. 11 No. 2) – a very personal account of his hunt for and discovery of this mine. Interestingly, he notes the same “rock house” described by Mitchell.

There is also a short account of the hidden gold bars in Lost Mines and Hidden Tresure by “Leland Lovelace” (1956).

Although I do not have a copy of Golden Empires, the evidence strongly points to it being about the Montezuma’s Head Mountain in the Estrella Range “Lost Mine of the Stars” and the gold bar plant associated with it.

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo
 
While preparing an annotated bibliography of the Tayopa legend, I reread Milton Rose's "I Found a Lost Mine" (True West Sept.-Oct. 1958 [Vol. 6, No. 1], reprinted in GOLD! 1970 [Vol. 2, No. 1]. He states he wrote and published a "paper-bound booklet (pamphlet)" titled Golden Empires about the Lost Mine of the Padres, AKA Lost Mine of the Jesuits, AKA Lost Mines of the Estrellas (Stars) prior to 1930.

Has anyone here ever seen a copy of this little work?

Good luck to all,

The Old Boookaroo
No confirmed copy of Golden Empires has turned up in any library catalog, archive, or book dealer listing that can be found with today’s research tools. The pamphlet Milton Rose said he wrote and published before 1930 has not been found. It may be a genuine ghost publication — a real book that survives in no public collection.
In the September–October 1958 issue of True West magazine (Vol. 6, No. 1), Milton F. Rose published the first installment of a three-part article called “I Found a Lost Mine.” The piece was later reprinted in GOLD! magazine in 1970 (Vol. 2, No. 1). In that article, Rose stated that he had written and published a small paper-bound booklet — he called it a pamphlet — titled Golden Empires, covering the Lost Mine of the Padres, also known as the Lost Mine of the Jesuits and the Lost Mines of the Estrellas. He said he published it before 1930.
That is all he tells us about it. No publisher, no place of publication, no page count, no price. Just
The University of Arizona’s Special Collections has all three parts of Rose’s True West series in its holdings. The catalog record for the first installment describes the article’s subject as “lost mine of Tayopa, lost Tumacácori treasure,” which does not quite match the Sierra Estrellas story Rose tells in the article. That could be a cataloger’s error, or it could mean a different installment of the three-part series covers different ground. Worth checking before making a trip to Tucson.
The University of Arizona holds duplication rights to those issues. Anyone wanting photocopies can submit a request through their Special Collections office at speccoll.library.arizona.edu.
WorldCat is the largest library catalog in the world, connecting the holdings of tens of thousands of libraries. No entry for a work titled Golden Empires by Milton Rose, M.F. Rose, or any close variation appears in WorldCat. No copyright registration under that title turns up in available U.S. Copyright Office records for the pre-1930 period either.
That is not proof that the pamphlet never existed. Small self-published booklets printed before 1930 were almost never registered for copyright and were rarely deposited with the Library of Congress. They were printed locally, sold or given away by the author, and if they survive at all, it is usually as single copies held by private collectors or tucked into the uncatalogued corners of a local historical society’s files.
Rose started prospecting the Sierra Estrella Mountains in the summer of 1930, according to his own account in True West. That fits his claim that Golden Empires came out before or right around that time. He was based in Phoenix, knew the old-time prospectors there well, and moved in the same circle as John D. Mitchell, who later wrote about the same Sierra Estrella mines for Desert Magazine starting in 1939 and eventually collected those pieces into Lost Mines of the Great Southwest in 1954.
Mitchell knew Rose personally. If Golden Empires existed as a physical object, Mitchell almost certainly had a copy or at least knew about it. Mitchell’s papers, if they survive, are worth tracing. The Arizona Historical Society in Tucson and the Arizona State Library in Phoenix are the logical starting points.
Five places stand out as the most promising:
​

1. The Hayden Arizona Collection — Arizona State University, Tempe
Carl Hayden spent decades collecting Arizona ephemera, including small-press and self-published items that never made it into WorldCat. If Golden Empires survives anywhere in a public collection, this is the most likely place. The Hayden Library at ASU holds the collection.


2. Arizona State Library, Archives and Public Records — Phoenix
Located at 1901 W. Madison Street, Phoenix. They hold the Arizona Biography–Obituary Index and strong Arizona ephemera collections. Good for tracing Rose as a person as well as for locally printed pamphlets.


3. Arizona Historical Society Research Library — Tucson
Their manuscript collections include material from the Arizona mining writer community of the 1920s through 1950s. Mitchell’s papers, if held anywhere, would likely be here.


4. Desert Magazine Archive
Desert published many of the same writers and occasionally ran notices of self-published booklets by contributors. If Rose advertised or mentioned Golden Empires anywhere in print other than True West, Desert is a reasonable place it might have appeared.


5. True West Magazine — Current Editorial Staff
True West has been running since 1953 and maintains historical files. Someone working with back issues for anniversary retrospectives may have come across Rose’s correspondence or a copy of the pamphlet. Their contact information is at truewestmagazine.com.

One detail from the Cactus Files blog’s careful research into this mine is worth keeping in mind. The blog’s author concluded that Rose was probably the first of the three main writers — Rose, Mitchell, and Ray Howland — to find the old Spanish stone house and mine in the Estrellas, even though his account was published last. Rose most likely found the site in the early 1930s. If he wrote Golden Empires before 1930, then he was writing about the legend before he found the place itself, which would make the pamphlet a summary of the oral history and existing lore rather than a first-person discovery account.
That matters to understand what Golden Empires probably contained. It would have been a digest of what Phoenix prospectors and old-timers were saying about the mine in the late 1920s — the French miners who were killed, the Pima Reservation boundary issue, and the old Spanish workings in the mountains south and west of the city. Rose would have written it as a researcher, not yet as someone who had been to the spot.
Golden Empires may be sitting uncatalogued in the Hayden Collection at ASU, or in someone’s private collection, or it may not have survived at all. Pre-1930 self-published pamphlets on Southwest mining legends were printed in small quantities, distributed informally, and rarely kept. Most are gone.
If no one on the forum has a copy or has seen a reference to one in a bibliography or footnote, the Hayden Collection at ASU is the best next move. After that, the Arizona Historical Society. After that, a long shot: tracking down anyone descended from the Phoenix prospecting community Rose was part of in the 1920s and 1930s.
If a copy does turn up, it would be a significant find. Rose’s 1958 True West account is by most reckonings the most detailed and believable first-hand account of the Estrella mines ever published. An earlier pamphlet covering the same ground, written before he found the mine, would give researchers a before-and-after look at how the story developed.
All institutions listed above are publicly accessible. Call ahead before visiting — some Arizona historical collections require appointments. The University of Arizona Special Collections duplication request form is at speccoll.library.arizona.edu. The Hayden Arizona Collection is in Hayden Library at Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ 85287.

TRL​
 
No confirmed copy of Golden Empires has turned up in any library catalog, archive, or book dealer listing that can be found with today’s research tools. The pamphlet Milton Rose said he wrote and published before 1930 has not been found. It may be a genuine ghost publication — a real book that survives in no public collection.
In the September–October 1958 issue of True West magazine (Vol. 6, No. 1), Milton F. Rose published the first installment of a three-part article called “I Found a Lost Mine.” The piece was later reprinted in GOLD! magazine in 1970 (Vol. 2, No. 1). In that article, Rose stated that he had written and published a small paper-bound booklet — he called it a pamphlet — titled Golden Empires, covering the Lost Mine of the Padres, also known as the Lost Mine of the Jesuits and the Lost Mines of the Estrellas. He said he published it before 1930.
That is all he tells us about it. No publisher, no place of publication, no page count, no price. Just
The University of Arizona’s Special Collections has all three parts of Rose’s True West series in its holdings. The catalog record for the first installment describes the article’s subject as “lost mine of Tayopa, lost Tumacácori treasure,” which does not quite match the Sierra Estrellas story Rose tells in the article. That could be a cataloger’s error, or it could mean a different installment of the three-part series covers different ground. Worth checking before making a trip to Tucson.
The University of Arizona holds duplication rights to those issues. Anyone wanting photocopies can submit a request through their Special Collections office at speccoll.library.arizona.edu.
WorldCat is the largest library catalog in the world, connecting the holdings of tens of thousands of libraries. No entry for a work titled Golden Empires by Milton Rose, M.F. Rose, or any close variation appears in WorldCat. No copyright registration under that title turns up in available U.S. Copyright Office records for the pre-1930 period either.
That is not proof that the pamphlet never existed. Small self-published booklets printed before 1930 were almost never registered for copyright and were rarely deposited with the Library of Congress. They were printed locally, sold or given away by the author, and if they survive at all, it is usually as single copies held by private collectors or tucked into the uncatalogued corners of a local historical society’s files.
Rose started prospecting the Sierra Estrella Mountains in the summer of 1930, according to his own account in True West. That fits his claim that Golden Empires came out before or right around that time. He was based in Phoenix, knew the old-time prospectors there well, and moved in the same circle as John D. Mitchell, who later wrote about the same Sierra Estrella mines for Desert Magazine starting in 1939 and eventually collected those pieces into Lost Mines of the Great Southwest in 1954.
Mitchell knew Rose personally. If Golden Empires existed as a physical object, Mitchell almost certainly had a copy or at least knew about it. Mitchell’s papers, if they survive, are worth tracing. The Arizona Historical Society in Tucson and the Arizona State Library in Phoenix are the logical starting points.
Five places stand out as the most promising:
​

1. The Hayden Arizona Collection — Arizona State University, Tempe
Carl Hayden spent decades collecting Arizona ephemera, including small-press and self-published items that never made it into WorldCat. If Golden Empires survives anywhere in a public collection, this is the most likely place. The Hayden Library at ASU holds the collection.


2. Arizona State Library, Archives and Public Records — Phoenix
Located at 1901 W. Madison Street, Phoenix. They hold the Arizona Biography–Obituary Index and strong Arizona ephemera collections. Good for tracing Rose as a person as well as for locally printed pamphlets.


3. Arizona Historical Society Research Library — Tucson
Their manuscript collections include material from the Arizona mining writer community of the 1920s through 1950s. Mitchell’s papers, if held anywhere, would likely be here.


4. Desert Magazine Archive
Desert published many of the same writers and occasionally ran notices of self-published booklets by contributors. If Rose advertised or mentioned Golden Empires anywhere in print other than True West, Desert is a reasonable place it might have appeared.


5. True West Magazine — Current Editorial Staff
True West has been running since 1953 and maintains historical files. Someone working with back issues for anniversary retrospectives may have come across Rose’s correspondence or a copy of the pamphlet. Their contact information is at truewestmagazine.com.

One detail from the Cactus Files blog’s careful research into this mine is worth keeping in mind. The blog’s author concluded that Rose was probably the first of the three main writers — Rose, Mitchell, and Ray Howland — to find the old Spanish stone house and mine in the Estrellas, even though his account was published last. Rose most likely found the site in the early 1930s. If he wrote Golden Empires before 1930, then he was writing about the legend before he found the place itself, which would make the pamphlet a summary of the oral history and existing lore rather than a first-person discovery account.
That matters to understand what Golden Empires probably contained. It would have been a digest of what Phoenix prospectors and old-timers were saying about the mine in the late 1920s — the French miners who were killed, the Pima Reservation boundary issue, and the old Spanish workings in the mountains south and west of the city. Rose would have written it as a researcher, not yet as someone who had been to the spot.
Golden Empires may be sitting uncatalogued in the Hayden Collection at ASU, or in someone’s private collection, or it may not have survived at all. Pre-1930 self-published pamphlets on Southwest mining legends were printed in small quantities, distributed informally, and rarely kept. Most are gone.
If no one on the forum has a copy or has seen a reference to one in a bibliography or footnote, the Hayden Collection at ASU is the best next move. After that, the Arizona Historical Society. After that, a long shot: tracking down anyone descended from the Phoenix prospecting community Rose was part of in the 1920s and 1930s.
If a copy does turn up, it would be a significant find. Rose’s 1958 True West account is by most reckonings the most detailed and believable first-hand account of the Estrella mines ever published. An earlier pamphlet covering the same ground, written before he found the mine, would give researchers a before-and-after look at how the story developed.
All institutions listed above are publicly accessible. Call ahead before visiting — some Arizona historical collections require appointments. The University of Arizona Special Collections duplication request form is at speccoll.library.arizona.edu. The Hayden Arizona Collection is in Hayden Library at Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ 85287.

TRL​
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