Harmonica reed question?

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...it is rare to find the outside silver plate casing,but no,the reeds are common....although...I dont recall ever digging any harmonica reeds in pre 1860 sites
 

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Reeds are fairly common to find around civil war camp areas and old house sites... Normally just one piece, the one you have is pretty kewl for finding the full reed...
 

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Reeds are fairly common to find around civil war camp areas and old house sites... Normally just one piece, the one you have is pretty kewl for finding the full reed...

The truth of the matter is, there were scant few .. VERY few .. harmonicas during the Civil War. If they were found in Civil War campsites, they were brought in after the war.
 

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Yah i'm seeing the discussion right here: Re: Civil War Harmonicas .. were there any? .. What are your thoughts? i'm gonna ask D.P. Newton what he thinks about it when i go by there today, because it seems like every digger collection has a few reeds in it. Maybe they are just little more common to find in Stafford then any other areas. Thanks for the info.
 

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Not 100% sure of the origins but the modern harmonica was not mass produced until the late 1850's (Hohner). Hohner was the first to encase the reeds in a metal body. Previously reeds were surrounded by wood only. By the time of the Civil War it was very popular.

Here is a clip from a magazine called "Household Words" 1854. The article was written by Charles Dickens:



DCMatt
 

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Not 100% sure of the origins but the modern harmonica was not mass produced until the late 1850's (Hohner). Hohner was the first to encase the reeds in a metal body. Previously reeds were surrounded by wood only. By the time of the Civil War it was very popular.

Here is a clip from a magazine called "Household Words" 1854. The article was written by Charles Dickens:



DCMatt

so is this saying the reeds date to the 1820's?
 

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"For a well-researched historical essay on Hohner harmonica production
and its social and economic context, and exportation beyond Germany, I
can refer you to Hartmut Berghoff's very interesting "Marketing
Diversity: The Making of a Global Consumer Product?Hohner's Harmonicas
1857-1930". Take especial note of the page numbered 344, where he
states that Hohner's first offer of commercial exportation to the U.S.
did not come until 1867 - after the US Civil War had ended. In fact,
Berghoff does not mention the Civil War at all.

Civil War museums online that I've encountered make no mention of the
harmonica.

Hohner's production in 1857 was 600 instruments. Let's say it had
increased by tenfold by 1864. This would have required a tenfold
increase in workers, as all production was handmade until the 1870s.
This seems a bit unlikely, especially as much of the early work was
done on a part-time basis by homecrafters during the off-season when
they weren't busy farming, and not in a factory environment. Again,
that didn't start until the 1870s.
 

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Read sub-heading "War is good and bad for harmonicas"
Harmonica History


It looks like they could have found their way into CW camps towards the end of the war.
 

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I wonder what their source was for making that generalization. I find it interesting, too, that in all the photographs of the Civil War that I have looked at, not one of them shows a soldier with a harmonica. Also, the inventory taken of the casualties at Gettysburg makes no mention of a harmonica anywhere. I find that to be strange given the sheer number of soldiers. I love this topic, and would really like to understand it better.
 

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Me too creskol. I would love definitive proof either way.
 

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i just saw today a whole case full of reeds that were dug in Stafford in civil war camps and that the soldiers had harmonicas in the camps. It can be virtually impossible i guess too find out if you dig a reed what time period it came from though if it wasn't found in a civil war camp.. then again Stafford had over 140,000 soldiers move through and camp in Stafford so finding a civil war reed in the area is probably more common than most places. This is just what I was told by someone who is been dealing with civil war artifacts since he was in diapers and i can say out of the 100s of diggers collections i have seen i always see a few reeds in them. Again this is just what I was told.
 

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i just saw today a whole case full of reeds that were dug in Stafford in civil war camps and that the soldiers had harmonicas in the camps. It can be virtually impossible i guess too find out if you dig a reed what time period it came from though if it wasn't found in a civil war camp.. then again Stafford had over 140,000 soldiers move through and camp in Stafford so finding a civil war reed in the area is probably more common than most places. This is just what I was told by someone who is been dealing with civil war artifacts since he was in diapers and i can say out of the 100s of diggers collections i have seen i always see a few reeds in them. Again this is just what I was told.

Actually, you can tell Hut .. I would be willing to bet that none of them are from the Civil War era.
 

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Well I know he isn't lying when he said he dug a few of them out of civil war trash pits and in camp areas. So i don't want to debate this! but if you ever get time ask some civil war experts maybe @ the shows or what have you what their thoughts are.. Anyway, just figured i would share what i was told by probably one of the best known civil war experts in america.
 

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Well I know he isn't lying when he said he dug a few of them out of civil war trash pits and in camp areas. So i don't want to debate this! but if you ever get time ask some civil war experts maybe @ the shows or what have you what their thoughts are.. Anyway, just figured i would share what i was told by probably one of the best known civil war experts in america.

I know it does boggle the mind, Hut and having dug a few myself, I struggled with that concept, too. That is what got me into studying these things to begin with. I soon came to the realization that 99.9% of the ones I have seen at shows and in peoples collections, as well as the ones I have dug all have milling marks on the reeds, which post dates them to the Civil War. How did they get there? Vet reunions at these camps and reenactors seem to be the most logical explanation, but just like button backmarks, mill marks don't lie.
 

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When I get back there hopefully tomorrow.. I will take some up close photos of the ones he has and get more info, Didn't spend a-lot of time asking questions about them since I had some stuff I needed to get looked at. Let's keep this topic open and maybe even if it takes a few weeks or months we can get some closure because you are right there are diggers out there who will swear they dug civil war reeds when in fact they probably arent. I did however find it interesting he said he dug some in civil war trash pits. I will ask more hopefully 2morrow..
 

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My hunch is that they made it into CW sites via soldiers. The sutlers would've carried something directly from the manufacturer. So while hohner's output was 600 harmonicas in 1857, what that does not tell us is how many instruments he produced in 1861. It also does not say how many other manufacturers had some sort of a design that was a harmonica in every regard too. Remember, manufacturers at this point in history borrowed others' designs, modified them slightly, and produced them. Also, the harmonica was not mass-produced until the late 1800s, but there are other items which I suspect were not mass produced yet we find numerous examples.

Hard to say. I have dug reeds in camps before--but not all camps. And never a great number of reeds. Usually just a couple.

Regards,

Buck
 

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I don't know from mill marks on harmonica reeds, but I do appreciate some harmonica work. Here's an ethno-musicological viewpoint:

"The story of the harmonica begins with the Chinese Emperor Nyn-Kwya, who in 3000 B. C. invented a free-reed instrument called the "sheng' (sublime voice) which is considered the forerunner of the modern harmonica.

The sheng was brought to Europe in the 18th Century, where the idea of the free-reed principle was used in the creation of the reed organ, the accordion, the concertina, the saxophone, and the harmonica.

The modern harmonica was invented in 1821 by a German clockmaker named Christian Buschman who put fifteen pitch pipes together to create an odd little instrument. At first harmonicas were produced by clockmakers as a sideline, but in 1857 Matthias Hohner decided to manufacture them on a large scale and went into production in Trossingen, Germany.

The harmonica spread all over Germany, and with the mass emigration of Germans in the latter half of the nineteenth century, all over the world. By the time of the American Civil War, the harmonica was well established in the United States and many soldiers on both sides played them. At first the repertory in this country for harmonica consisted of folksongs, fiddle tunes, marches, hymns and the like, but somewhere along the way it was taken up by the black man, and its potential as a blues instrument came to light.

The origins of blues harp in the South remain obscure in spite of all the musicological research that has been done with blues. W.C. Handy recalled hearing train imitations played on the harmonica as early as the the 1870's, and this was a likely sources of blues harp..." The harmonica-an introduction by Glenn Weiser

I've not yet seen a photograph of a Civil War participant blowing on a harp.

I do feel that the obliterated person in this photo might have had one, at one time...8-)

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The Thirties was another colorful era for Harmonicats. I'll leave you with the Yarraville Mouth Organ Band.

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