help id??

[musky44]

found the bigger of the 2 a couple months ago on the banks of the oh river, found the smaller one yesterday about 10 ft away. trying to figure out what to call them. look to be the same design. have a few ideas but couldnt pinpoint them. that same spot has produced a couple nice ashtabulas. the stem on the small one looks similar to the ashtabulas stem but the shoulders are barbed. would love to hear ur opinions. thanks

 

[Th3rty7]

The large point may be a Decatur (beveled and fractured base) , the smaller looks like a Bottleneck to me. JMO

 

[musky44]

thanks 37

 

[uniface]

Opinion : More than likely, they're also broadpoints from the same time frame as your Ashtabula (terminal Archaic).