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I found this under a tree in our yard a few years back.
It is about the size of a nickle.
It is about the size of a nickle.
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Here is some sort of Indian tool.
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Hi Ghost:
Just curious, what makes you think it's an ....Indian Tool....?? I'm not saying it isn't but from the picture it's difficult to see if there is any sign of being worked into a tool. The general shape is interesting and it seems to have been broken from a larger piece possibly but again the picture is to dark to tell anything. Anyway, have a good one!!!!
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Just curious, what makes you think it's an ....Indian Tool....?? I'm not saying it isn't but from the picture it's difficult to see if there is any sign of being worked into a tool. The general shape is interesting and it seems to have been broken from a larger piece possibly but again the picture is to dark to tell anything. Anyway, have a good one!!!!
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It is not broken and the bottom edge is serrated sort of sharp and worked,my friend who makes and knows Indian artifacts says it is definitely some type of scraper.I found some pictures that are sort of close to it in my...The Official over street Ident and price guide to Indian Arrow heads.I thought it looks like a piece of bone. The pointed area is dull but must have once been sharper.
Not to be a wise cracker....
The straight area is worked as if it was used as a scraper.I can see the serrated part and I am not trained in this area.
so If you know this stuff well, You should have a better eye for the stuff right?
When I get some pictures back of a nice item I found last week, I will post it for you to see.It is some type of blade or scraper,my friend Say's it is a nice piece.
Thanks anyway,
Keep looking to the sky and down to the ground for history in the making!
Not to be a wise cracker....
The straight area is worked as if it was used as a scraper.I can see the serrated part and I am not trained in this area.
so If you know this stuff well, You should have a better eye for the stuff right?
When I get some pictures back of a nice item I found last week, I will post it for you to see.It is some type of blade or scraper,my friend Say's it is a nice piece.
Thanks anyway,
Keep looking to the sky and down to the ground for history in the making!
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Ghost- long time no see. Hope all is well. Can you scan this piece? Or maybe a picture with lighting? It's too hard to see much of anything but it doesn't look like anything in the pic you have (I say that because I can't see if that bottom edge is flaked or not in the pic) It's very unlikely that the the pointed edge is smooth because of wear, a piece this small, if used as a scraper, wouldn't have ever been sharpened to start with.
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This is the best I can do for you.I believe it is something otherwise my friend would have never said it was nothing and he is an teacher of Indian archeology.Point making. I trust him and his wife.I traced it for a sideview.
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....The straight area is worked as if it was used as a scraper.I can see the serrated part and I am not trained in this area. so If you know this stuff well, You should have a better eye for the stuff right?....
LMAO!!!! Whatever. Have a good one Ghost.
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LMAO!!!! Whatever. Have a good one Ghost.
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I just think because of the shape it is old and might have been used for something of that nature.I don't have any other way to show you this item other then on the net,so it would be really hard to determine what it is.I just know my friend thinks it could be a tool of some sort.It's like when you look at other items here..The net view is different then seeing anything with your own eye's. You wouldn't want to go to court and give evidence that really is "Here say" and not have real proof evidence.Just an opinion though.
I appreciate everyones help with my searches and believe it or not everything counts.
The mystery of it all is what keeps me looking for historical finds even if I have not really found anything. 
I appreciate everyones help with my searches and believe it or not everything counts.
The mystery of it all is what keeps me looking for historical finds even if I have not really found anything.
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The ground and tree's in the yard,where I found this item was brought from woods behind us.
There is an old beer barrel in the ground somewhere and cooker back there where Al Capone dropped in to buy beer.There is a cool story about the whole thing.I would love to get back there to do some metal detecting,but the owner is very protective of his land and a good friend also.He has a sand pit also.That would be interesting to dig threw.
There is an old beer barrel in the ground somewhere and cooker back there where Al Capone dropped in to buy beer.There is a cool story about the whole thing.I would love to get back there to do some metal detecting,but the owner is very protective of his land and a good friend also.He has a sand pit also.That would be interesting to dig threw.
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Thanks... 10-4! 
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Cap Z- so out of curiosity, what makes this "scraper" archaic in nature? lol
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OK, it's a rock so it is old. It does have an unusual shape and yes, because of this I suppose that at one time could have been used for something by someone (anything is possible). That is only conjecture however as there is no other context to support that conclusion outside of an active imagination. An unusually shaped stone (even one with a sharp edge) does not an artifact make. In this particular case, possibly on close up examination, there might in fact be signs of it having been worked into a tool. As things stand right now however....it looks like a rock. This however is not the only instance that raises questions about your conclusions and the way they were reached or those of your archaeologist/knapper/teacher friend.
I don't know why you took a cheap shot at me earlier and frankly I could care less. It did however cause me to look back through your posts in this forum and others. Not once have you posted a picture of an artifact that appeared to be anymore then just a rock or at the best highly questionable. A "hot rock", even one that is magnetic does not a meteor make (personally, unless I can positively ID it I usually toss those damned things. One cost us an extra 2 days hiking out of a remote area because of it's effect on a compass....lol). A stone without signs of being worked by man into a tool does not an artifact make. There must be context to support the conclusions. I believe that is what most of us that ask about your conclusions are getting at.
It further seems that anyone who in the least way questions your conclusions and/or those of that friend of your's is automatically singled out and you get hostile. We ask our questions in an attempt to see why our opinions differ and possibly see reason to alter them and see it your way. This is only sound scientific principle and in no way is it meant as ridicule. You on the other hand give nothing back but conjecture.
Again, none of this is meant to ridicule you or your friend in any way. I am merely attempting to get you to see that certain guidelines must be used to establish an accurate conclusion. I don't know if you have any actual, incontestable artifacts in your collection or not. In all of your posts you have yet to reveal one. If you do, good for you but if not, that's a bit sad because I believe that you sincerely want to find and are searching for them.
With that in mind I'll make you an offer. The snow will soon be flying in your part of the country. Take a vacation and come down to sunny Florida for a week or two. We'll meet up and I'll take you artifact and treasure hunting. You'll have your own personal guide (and not a bad one either....lol). You may not find a gold escudo or a silver reale but I'll take you to the beaches where it is more the possible. We can also go onto some of the property I have permission to hunt on and find everything from pottery shards to points on a regular basis. On a couple of day long canoe trips into wilderness areas (yes, they really do still exist here) I can show you mounds and old village sites from the Seminole Indian Wars that will appear on no ones archaeological survey and many that have never seen the pot hunters shovel. There is absolutely no doubt what these are as soon as they are seen. In most cases the evidence is in such abundance that it is amazing.
Want to dig up a Spanish Cannon from a treasure galleon that is under about 4' of sand and take a picture, no problem. Do you dive or snorkel? If so and water conditions permit, how about swimming off the beach a bit and in 6' feet of water seeing Spanish cannon laying on the reef. A bit further and there is a pair of crossed anchors. How about a 60' long pile of ballast stones, it's top only a few feet underwater at low tide. Hell, take one home for a door stop. All of these places are real, they exist and you can have your picture taken over, on, and around them. There is no question about what they are. These are artifacts, actual sites and there is no question about their authenticity.
Why am I offering this, because that's what I do, teach and share knowledge. The vast majority of the great archaeological and treasure finds have been made by either accident and/or by amateurs. Most of these were based on solid research and dedicated effort with focused intention, not innuendo and conjecture. Learn what to look for and where to look for it. Look for the signs that are there and see them for what they are, not what you want them to be. In short, keep an open mind. Well, the offer is there, have a good one.
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I don't know why you took a cheap shot at me earlier and frankly I could care less. It did however cause me to look back through your posts in this forum and others. Not once have you posted a picture of an artifact that appeared to be anymore then just a rock or at the best highly questionable. A "hot rock", even one that is magnetic does not a meteor make (personally, unless I can positively ID it I usually toss those damned things. One cost us an extra 2 days hiking out of a remote area because of it's effect on a compass....lol). A stone without signs of being worked by man into a tool does not an artifact make. There must be context to support the conclusions. I believe that is what most of us that ask about your conclusions are getting at.
It further seems that anyone who in the least way questions your conclusions and/or those of that friend of your's is automatically singled out and you get hostile. We ask our questions in an attempt to see why our opinions differ and possibly see reason to alter them and see it your way. This is only sound scientific principle and in no way is it meant as ridicule. You on the other hand give nothing back but conjecture.
Again, none of this is meant to ridicule you or your friend in any way. I am merely attempting to get you to see that certain guidelines must be used to establish an accurate conclusion. I don't know if you have any actual, incontestable artifacts in your collection or not. In all of your posts you have yet to reveal one. If you do, good for you but if not, that's a bit sad because I believe that you sincerely want to find and are searching for them.
With that in mind I'll make you an offer. The snow will soon be flying in your part of the country. Take a vacation and come down to sunny Florida for a week or two. We'll meet up and I'll take you artifact and treasure hunting. You'll have your own personal guide (and not a bad one either....lol). You may not find a gold escudo or a silver reale but I'll take you to the beaches where it is more the possible. We can also go onto some of the property I have permission to hunt on and find everything from pottery shards to points on a regular basis. On a couple of day long canoe trips into wilderness areas (yes, they really do still exist here) I can show you mounds and old village sites from the Seminole Indian Wars that will appear on no ones archaeological survey and many that have never seen the pot hunters shovel. There is absolutely no doubt what these are as soon as they are seen. In most cases the evidence is in such abundance that it is amazing.
Want to dig up a Spanish Cannon from a treasure galleon that is under about 4' of sand and take a picture, no problem. Do you dive or snorkel? If so and water conditions permit, how about swimming off the beach a bit and in 6' feet of water seeing Spanish cannon laying on the reef. A bit further and there is a pair of crossed anchors. How about a 60' long pile of ballast stones, it's top only a few feet underwater at low tide. Hell, take one home for a door stop. All of these places are real, they exist and you can have your picture taken over, on, and around them. There is no question about what they are. These are artifacts, actual sites and there is no question about their authenticity.
Why am I offering this, because that's what I do, teach and share knowledge. The vast majority of the great archaeological and treasure finds have been made by either accident and/or by amateurs. Most of these were based on solid research and dedicated effort with focused intention, not innuendo and conjecture. Learn what to look for and where to look for it. Look for the signs that are there and see them for what they are, not what you want them to be. In short, keep an open mind. Well, the offer is there, have a good one.
Deepsix
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Man if I knew you where going to offer that deep, I would have tried harder to make you mad! Didn't you see all my posts? I got more of that
stuff if you want? Seriously, the next time I go down to Walton county to see my sister I would pay you to guide me to some of those spots.
I love to canoe and snorkel.
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stuff if you want? Seriously, the next time I go down to Walton county to see my sister I would pay you to guide me to some of those spots.
I love to canoe and snorkel.
bm
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bean man said:
LOL!!!! We all find questionable pieces and have a ....what is it.... box in the top of the closet. Many of these will always remain just that but occasionally one will be identified. Ghost didn't make me mad but he can be a bit frustrating at times and I did think his shot was uncalled for. I made the offer as I said because I really believe that he has a sincere desire to go after the past. We'll see.
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You can keep the diving stuff but where do I sign up for that artifact tour? I don't know much about artifacts but I would love to come down there and learn!
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I am a hell of a tough B^%$H... I wonder what I would be if I was a cop?You know the answer!I would know your drivers license plate r-e-e-e-e-aaaal good!
Anyway,I get kicked all the time for nothing, I guess that won't stop!OH WELL ...I am use to it now!
And your right..I am sincere to a T and I don't like bulls-ht!
I just want the best and so do everyone else..You are a Sweet and I am sorry if I said the wrong thing...I still think it could be somthing... I have another one ,also that is just as weird, but because of this I won't show that! You also sent some real unauthorized writing my way..but hey! What -ever gets your goat! Now maybe we can look eye to eye and see ourselves as hunters or investigators or special hobbyists of the past and think of it as a challenge not a comparing battle..No more long tales of dume and hate war stuff lets do them in stuff...Thats for babies right?We are intelligent people with good things to share and learn from..You give some good points and can say what ever about me >>>>>>>>SO!!!!!!!!!!!!and my imagination again..... SO!!!!!!!!...I will have th last laugh some day!!!but when it comes to my friend who is the Innocent one here...buy the way!He has been saving a real historical Indian site well known to Wisconsin and his wife is a person with great knowledsge also..Both have been in the news many times...ECt, Ect, Ect....There was an impression that they where worthless sort of speaking? Now that was over in dulging your own worth as a teacher and really makes me wonder... so cut that "put down "stuff out ...You are better then that!so to that give in man!I won't stop my hobby because of one or two others who are teachers or more in the knowledge and may be right! but they could be wrong..(Happens in hospitals all the time!) and that is a real reasoning with intelligent thought behind that.!I listen but I still have the right to a second or third opinion!So lets begin a new OK! Be the best you can and the best will then be returned to you!God now who writing a book... See what you did?........ Reminder for me only>>>>!Get with it girl!
I also will not show my possible meteorite finds either, because there is a better site and they welcome anyone and all finds!...
Some of the hardest people to teach turn out to be the scholars of our times.There are a lot of other teachers out there....
Don't ever think I don't listen or take in anything anyone says...I am also a darn good learner!
Anyway,I get kicked all the time for nothing, I guess that won't stop!OH WELL ...I am use to it now!
And your right..I am sincere to a T and I don't like bulls-ht!
I just want the best and so do everyone else..You are a Sweet and I am sorry if I said the wrong thing...I still think it could be somthing... I have another one ,also that is just as weird, but because of this I won't show that! You also sent some real unauthorized writing my way..but hey! What -ever gets your goat! Now maybe we can look eye to eye and see ourselves as hunters or investigators or special hobbyists of the past and think of it as a challenge not a comparing battle..No more long tales of dume and hate war stuff lets do them in stuff...Thats for babies right?We are intelligent people with good things to share and learn from..You give some good points and can say what ever about me >>>>>>>>SO!!!!!!!!!!!!and my imagination again..... SO!!!!!!!!...I will have th last laugh some day!!!but when it comes to my friend who is the Innocent one here...buy the way!He has been saving a real historical Indian site well known to Wisconsin and his wife is a person with great knowledsge also..Both have been in the news many times...ECt, Ect, Ect....There was an impression that they where worthless sort of speaking? Now that was over in dulging your own worth as a teacher and really makes me wonder... so cut that "put down "stuff out ...You are better then that!so to that give in man!I won't stop my hobby because of one or two others who are teachers or more in the knowledge and may be right! but they could be wrong..(Happens in hospitals all the time!) and that is a real reasoning with intelligent thought behind that.!I listen but I still have the right to a second or third opinion!So lets begin a new OK! Be the best you can and the best will then be returned to you!God now who writing a book... See what you did?
........ Reminder for me only>>>>!Get with it girl! I also will not show my possible meteorite finds either, because there is a better site and they welcome anyone and all finds!...
Some of the hardest people to teach turn out to be the scholars of our times.There are a lot of other teachers out there....
Don't ever think I don't listen or take in anything anyone says...I am also a darn good learner!
So many disagreements could be avoided with a good photo. I find many triangle ( "thumb" )scrapers. Most of them are as ghost describes, but his picture doesn't show the detail. Is this what the edge looks like? Many of the artifacts I find have no other knapping except on one edge. Hope this helps clear things up.
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Your right! .... Sorry for rambling on!
Yes sort of but not as defined in the shipping part.You know maybe it is was being made into a tool,but never finished.When I first found it, I thought it was a tooth to some kind of animal.Even the color is out of whack to that of a regular rock.
I have something though, when I get my pictures back that will make this all go away and really get you looking.That was found a long the river..and it is a nice piece.
Say.... Thanks for asking.
.... Sorry for rambling on! Yes sort of but not as defined in the shipping part.You know maybe it is was being made into a tool,but never finished.When I first found it, I thought it was a tooth to some kind of animal.Even the color is out of whack to that of a regular rock.
I have something though, when I get my pictures back that will make this all go away and really get you looking.That was found a long the river..and it is a nice piece.
Say.... Thanks for asking.
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Ghost:
My whole point was not to kick you around and certainly not get you to give up your hobby but rather to show you a few points, first hand, that might give you a different outlook on how and where to look as well as interperting the signs you see. That's something that is best practiced and learned in the field. It's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to learn from a book or in a class room but those basics are necessary also. There is no substitute for field experience. You have a good one.
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PS: Funny you should mention the cop thing though. The last one that learned my licence plate reeeeeeeal good got fired and ended up doing a year in jail for harassment. A real piece of work that one was.
Have a good one all.
Deepsix
My whole point was not to kick you around and certainly not get you to give up your hobby but rather to show you a few points, first hand, that might give you a different outlook on how and where to look as well as interperting the signs you see. That's something that is best practiced and learned in the field. It's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to learn from a book or in a class room but those basics are necessary also. There is no substitute for field experience. You have a good one.
Deepsix
PS: Funny you should mention the cop thing though. The last one that learned my licence plate reeeeeeeal good got fired and ended up doing a year in jail for harassment. A real piece of work that one was.
Have a good one all.
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If I was a cop, I wouldn't do anything illegal! Anyway...It is starting the snow stuff and when it goes away it will be the beginning for new hunts and there will be new finds...I can't wait.
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That last pic is a scraper- no doubt about it, the piece ghost has in the top of the thread is just a rock! Look close and the edge doesn't appear to be flaked at all.
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