Heres a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

[PEles]

Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

I dug this jetton down around Charleston, South Carolina and was sent some really nice information on the find from a friend in England. Here's a picture of the jetton I dug. It's dated 1662 and is the oldest piece I've ever found. If it could only talk and tell who carried it, and how it got to Charleston.

LP
http://www.royaloakday.org.uk/History/the_royal_oak_story.html

 

[nsdq]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

wow is all i can say

 

[umrgolf]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

That is a thing of beauty my friend

 

[Bubba65]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

That is AWESOME Pete Congrats on one awesome find.

Bubba65

 

[Colonial Copper Zeus]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

That's one awesome story and an incredible find.
Chris

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

Nice find Pete!
That coin is absolutely huge!

Very interesting history behind it too!
Dave

 

[wwwtimmcp]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

that is an awesome find, I voted banner.

 

[jeff of pa]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

Nice find PEles, so what's the story on the find.

When did you find it ?

what else did you find ?

What Kind of area was It ?

I Would Like to read the whole story

 

[jewelerguy]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

that's awesome

 

[Mackaydon]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

I'm holding my breath that its year refers to the date of minting versus a commemorative of the first minting and the event.
The initials under the 'tree' are 'LGLR' and refer to the mark of the counter maker: L.G. Lauffer. The original counter is referred to as the Nuremberg Memorial of the Royal Oak 1662. The 'original' medal also contains the words: "diev et mon droit"; an outstanding find, NTL. What is on the reverse?
Don.....
Source (item33443 here): http://books.google.com/books?id=57...v=onepage&q="L. G. Lauffer" Royal oak&f=false

 

[hammered]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

Nice find PEles, so what's the story on the find.

When did you find it ?

what else did you find ?

What Kind of area was It ?

I Would Like to read the whole story

I agree with Jeff, this token is in my book but I will ask my PAS person about it's importance. Having said that, this may well be banner worthy. It's one of those that takes time to sort out, but I think it is up there


hammered

 

[PEles]

Re: Picture of the back of the Jetton I found

Hey Jeff,

this find is several months old but I just received this detailed piece of information on it from the friend in england yesterday. I'd posted some videos on youtube and he saw one, we got to talking via emails and I told him about this piece and he got the info on it for me. I dug it down around charleston and the site it came from has a bittersweet ending for me and my buddies. We drove up to this big piece of property late in the afternoon one day , and introduced ourselves to the landowner . We told him what we do and he began telling us about the history of his property. He said he had information on it saying the original land grant from the King of England went back to the 1600's and the original owner of the land had a nice home on it somewhere. The indians burned it originally it got rebuilt only to be burned again during the English occupation of Charleston during the revolutionary war.This guys a real estate mogul so he had no clue about finding an old site on this big piece of property. A farmer surely would know where it was but this city guy didnt.We told him we'd give him some relics and we'd definitely be able to find it for him. Well he said ok go ahead. It took me about 30 minutes before I found it but we only had about an hour and a half before it started to get late. I dug a rev war USA button, this jetton, a silver 1772 real, a 1744 KG copper, my buds dug about 20 flat buttons, buckles, pewter spoon handles and various other colonial knicknacks. . Well we went back I gave the guy all the flat buttons, buckles, 1744 copper and he was thrilled. He was so much so that he said we could come back anytime. We couldn't wait to get back the next weekend! Well we did go back but it wasnt good news. He started off by saying thanks for finding the site and the relics but he was sorry to say that we couldnt hunt the site again Man we were sick! He told us he had taken the relics to show a good buddy that happened to be associated with the archeology department at one of the local universities in charleston. The guy asked him why he let us dig the site He told the guy we were nice felows that obviously knew what we were doing and he didnt see any problem with it. We even gave him all this nice stuff. The archeologist guy got to him .He convinced him that the arche's need to dig it and he told us that he had agreed to let them do it, so bam that's why we got the boot! It stunk but hey it's his land and that's the story of my find. The archeologist have yet to do anything there , we ride by when we're in the area just to see , and it looks like the day we left it. What a bummer, we tried to be nice and it bit us in the arse! Since the find is several months old it's not banner worthy I'm sure. I just wanted folks to see a nice find being it was so old and I just got the good info on it. No doubt in my mind it's original from where I found it. Here's a picture of the back.

Pete

 

[jeff of pa]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

It's Certainly Beautiful PEles

Yes odds are if it wasn't for You's they wouldn't
have even found the correct spot.

Plus they will let things Rot for ever.
most Archies Don't like, or Dig history Unless they are Being
Paid to Like & Dig history.

Maybe one day when New owners move in,
you Can pretend you never heard this
& ask to hunt it

 

[Blind Squirrel]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

Great finds and story Too bad about the sad ending!!!

 

[MaineRelic]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

Hey Pete . That jeton is another Banner find that will probably not go to the top ! But At least you got to hunt the spot once and make some very nice finds ! The Archies may never dig that spot and if they do they will be there forever . All roped off , ending any other use of the land until they are done . The owner will most likely be sorry he tossed you out ! Them,s the brakes in this crazy game ! Great find ! M.R.

 

[SCdigger]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

Nice!

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

I'm holding my breath that its year refers to the date of minting versus a commemorative of the first minting and the event.
The initials under the 'tree' are 'LGLR' and refer to the mark of the counter maker: L.G. Lauffer. The original counter is referred to as the Nuremberg Memorial of the Royal Oak 1662. The 'original' medal also contains the words: "diev et mon droit"; an outstanding find, NTL. What is on the reverse?
Don.....
Source (item33443 here): http://books.google.com/books?id=57...v=onepage&q="L. G. Lauffer" Royal oak&f=false

Good job on the German connection, I had already IDed it some time ago when first posted.

The new information (website link) only tells of the English Civil War & in no way means it had anything to do with the Jetton other than a German manufacturer using the symbol of his escape, as a sells ploy. Many pubs have this image & were not around at the time.

Once again, its not English manufacture, Germany dominated the Jetton market by this period, most of ours went bust.

I will look it up in the book again but the poster likes ignoring my research & help because I see none of it in this post.

 

[Mackaydon]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

Thanks for posting the reverse side.

The legend in the garter, "Honi soit qui mal y pense" is a French phrase meaning: "Shamed be he who thinks evil of it". Its literal translation from Old French is "Shame be to him who thinks evil of it", or more strictly: "Let he who thinks ill there be shamed." It is sometimes re-interpreted as "Evil be to him who evil thinks." It is the motto of the English chivalric Order of the Garter.

The phrase, "Dieu et mon droit" is the motto of the British Monarch in England.

Now, seeing both sides and learning its history, I'll vote BANNER.
It's a rare and historic find--in excellent condition-- NWS the 'time-since-found' consideration.
Don...........

 

[PEles]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

I'm holding my breath that its year refers to the date of minting versus a commemorative of the first minting and the event.
The initials under the 'tree' are 'LGLR' and refer to the mark of the counter maker: L.G. Lauffer. The original counter is referred to as the Nuremberg Memorial of the Royal Oak 1662. The 'original' medal also contains the words: "diev et mon droit"; an outstanding find, NTL. What is on the reverse?
Don.....
Source (item33443 here): http://books.google.com/books?id=57...v=onepage&q="L. G. Lauffer" Royal oak&f=false

Good job on the German connection, I had already IDed it some time ago when first posted.

The new information (website link) only tells of the English Civil War & in no way means it had anything to do with the Jetton other than a German manufacturer using the symbol of his escape, as a sells ploy. Many pubs have this image & were not around at the time.

Once again, its not English manufacture, Germany dominated the Jetton market by this period, most of ours went bust.

I will look it up in the book again but the poster likes ignoring my research & help because I see none of it in this post.

Hi Crusader,

forgive me for my lack of recognition of your hard work I assure you I meant no disrespect. I seem to and run my yap and post more than I respond to folks thats all. I appreciate all your efforts and if anyone could help me with my find it would be you . Thanks again for your legwork for me, trust me it is very much appreciated

Pete

 

[smcdmc]

Re: Here's a piece of English history found in Charleston, South Carolina

Thats a sucky ending for an awesome site.

Shane