Howda 1850 Black Powder twin bore pistol

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:thumbsup: Yes went out metal detecting last weekend and was hunting around this old house that was out in the bush (country) on a farm, it was one of the first houses built in that area here in South Africa, anyway when I hunt around these old houses, I always go to where the fire place was in the house, was searching around the entrance to the fire place that was made from old sand stone rocks, I even had a look up the chimney, because sometimes people used to hang things up there to keep safe, they even knocked a nail into the stone work as well.

While seaching I found some old nails and wire, but then I started to scan the outer slabs of sand stone rock and picked up this small sound from the machine, could not work out what it was, however once I had cleared away the loose dirt and sand that had spread over this area, I still got the signal from the machine, thus out came my old screw driver and I tried to lift and move the slab away, it did move slightly and then I managed to get my spade edge in the gap and then this slab of rock came loose, under the rock was this small compartment and lying inside wrapped in some stained oil type old cloth was this pistol.

It must have been lying there for many years, as you can see there are a few rust pit marks in the metal, but due to the dry conditions of this area, and the darkness and lack of air, these factors have preserved this gun very well.

After giving it a good clean up, this is what I found below.
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I have managed to do some research on it and have found out that it was in fact used as a saddle gun on a horse to hunt Tigers and Elephants, it is also a smooth bore and the action of the percussion hammers still work. I will attempt to fire it one day, just have to get some caps , powder and balls for it.

I am going back to this area tomorrow to see what else I can find, I have heard of people finding a lot of items around these old fire places, this particular area, I have been told that there is this old lady who says that her family many years ago, buried some valuable items and she is still looking for them. Will try and contact her to find out more about this.

Well have an excellent weekend, here in South Africa , we have a public holiday and thus nice to have the extra time off from work. :thumbsup:
 

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O'Man! great looking find. Who's the maker, Dutch,English, French, South African? Charlie
 

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First, have the gun checked out by a competent gunsmith to be sure it is safe to fire and be sure that you use only black powder to fire it. Mike the bore and get a ball that is slightly undersize. Then you need some pillow ticking to lubricate and fit around the ball so it fit tight in the bore. I'd start with about 40 grains of FFG black powder that would go into the muzzle first. Wrap the ball in the pillow ticking and get it started in the bore, then cut the ticking off even with the end of the barrel so the lead ball is exposed on the muzzle side. Take the little ramrod on the gun or any other one you might have and shove the ball down on top of the powder, being sure there is no air space between the ball and the powder. Cap the nipple with the gun on half cock, which is supposed to be the safest way. But don't go off half cocked now, which by the way is how the phrase came about. Pull the hammer all the way back to fire it. Be sure to wear safety glasses during the whole operation. I'm sure they used much more than 40 grains of black powder back then, but often black powder wasn't as pure as it is now and they had all kinds of inconsistencies in ignition of same. You can wash the gun with hot water and a detergent and then oil well or I use Windex Spray in the blue bottle and it works just as good without all the mess. You may know all of this but I'll bet there are many forum members who have no idea how it works, so I am posting for their benefit. I agree, Banner! Monty
 

I am in love. Can I have that? I think you can mail it straight to my door since it's so old. Simply breathtaking. What a beautiful and brutal last line of defense.
This nice of a find should be up top I think. It's in beautiful condition.

Please post more pictures.
 

What an incredible find! :o Banner all the way!

i would STRONGLY caution against EVER firing the piece. First, the barrel might fail - particularly since the pistol has been in the ground for more than a century and a half. I would not feel safe firing such an old firearm even if it had sat for that time in an attic, much less a dug specimen. An exploding barrel could kill or injure the shooter, as well as destroying the collector value of this lovely piece.

Exploding firearms are no joke. I know of one person who was killed firing a homemade pipe cannon with black powder, and another who was badly injured placing improperly high loads in a black powder rifle. It simply is not worth the risk.

Moreover, the value of antique guns can be hurt by shooting them. My view is that if one wants to fire a black powder gun, buy a repro for that purpose, and conserve the original.

And again, BANNER!

artorius
 

I completely concurr with Artorius , firing this is a no win proposition - I too vote Banner ! Argentium.
 

Banner :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Great job :thumbsup:
 

Ban ban ban...ban ban banner! (sung to the tune of "Barbara Ann" by the Beach Boys)
 

HOW BOUT THAT, YOU FOUND A DOUBLE SHOT OF TROUBLE---- LOL :thumbsup:

GREAT JOB

MLHUDSON
 

yes I agree, do not ever fire.
that oil preserved it pretty good,
if thats trully the case? then yes! BANNER!
 

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