Hypothetically speaking

[Coach K]

Hypothetically, If a small debris field including one cannon is found in the keys that "may" be an Spanish wreck that is "not" known or been located before through my research and talking with a few folks that know the area, how does one file for a permit to survey the said site and what are the chances of a recovery permit being granted at a later date?

 

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[Mackaydon]

Welcome to treasurenet !!
Suggestion: After you hear all the advise here, consult a Florida lawyer who is proficient in marine and Florida state law.
Don......

 

[ropesfish]

Hi Coach. Welcome
At this moment in Florida history, your chances of an exploration permit are equal to your chance of getting a recovery permit.
Zer0.
First, make sure that no one else has it permitted...
You can go dive the site and do some site survey kind of stuff as long as it is not in some prohibited area like the FKNMS
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I cannot in good faith advise someone to try to file for a permit after that happened to Bobby Pritchett and GME. He spent millions surveying, found a bunch of wrecks and was refused a recovery permit by the State for all of them.
Maybe a better plan is to casually look around and ogle what is there before you give it to the State of Florida.
Do some more independent looking around and hope something changes
Best of luck

 

[MiddenMonster]

Hypothetically, If a small debris field including one cannon is found in the keys that "may" be an Spanish wreck that is "not" known or been located before through my research and talking with a few folks that know the area, how does one file for a permit to survey the said site and what are the chances of a recovery permit being granted at a later date?

If you can't get a permit, but want to see a big ol' cat fight you can tell Spain and Florida about it, and then sit back with a nice cold case of brewskis and watch the fun.

 

[trdking]

If you can't get a permit, but want to see a big ol' cat fight you can tell Spain and Florida about it, and then sit back with a nice cold case of brewskis and watch the fun.

My kind of sport

 

[ropesfish]

If you can't get a permit, but want to see a big ol' cat fight you can tell Spain and Florida about it, and then sit back with a nice cold case of brewskis and watch the fun.

The State of Florida will roll over like a needy house dog needing a belly rub to accommodate Spain, if their recent alliance with France is any indication.

 

[Indiana_Jonz]

Well, thanks to all who replied. I presumed that may be the case after performing additional research. Since my original post, I have GPSd the site. Some day maybe I’ll be able to do something about it. I sure as he&& am not giving it to Florida, bunch of thieves from what my research shows. Archies would rather allow the materials to desintegraré than allow us to bring them to light. Same with the Bahamas.. have sites there but can’t do a thing about it.

 

[Guardrailnickel]

I know it may be a long shot but if you are willing to ask for help in FL. go to the Mel fisher Museum. Just remember if you don't ask the answer is always no.

 

[MiddenMonster]

Hypothetically speaking, if you find the remains of a treasure chest full of gold, but absolutely no signs of a "wreck" in the immediate vicinity and there isn't a shipwreck around it for a hundred miles, who has the rights to it? In other words, let's say the treasure chest just fell off an unknown ship and sunk to the bottom intact. If it is in international waters, how could any country snatch it from your grasp?

 

[Indiana_Jonz]

Midden monster, unfortunately the site is not in international waters which may or may not allow for easier retrieval if it were. I understand your logic completely but the only way to extract the cargo which may or not be there is to remove it in a way that I’m not willing to do at this point. The cannon and silver discs will be retrieved after I complete my reconnoitering of the area and determine it can be done . .. the state has given those of us little choice in the matter.the head archeologists of the state need an enema between the ears to flush out their stupidity and bias toward us.
In my case, I will do things in such a way as to render them null and void..

 

[Salvor6]

Good for you Jonz. Go get it! So I guess you are Coach K?

 

[Indiana_Jonz]

Correct

 

[Coach K]

Hypothetically speaking, if an individual found a coral encrusted cannon which appears to be bronze, how would one attempt to remove the conglomerate of coral surrounding the cannon? I'm presuming Reverse Electrolysis and if that is the case, approximately how long would said operation take? In addition, would the same removal process work if say two round silver discs were encased in the same conglomerate?

 

[Jolly Mon]

https://nautarch.tamu.edu/CRL/conservationmanual/ConservationManual.pdf

 

[doc-d]

Search, shovel and shut up....

 

[Mackaydon]

I learned it as: Search, Salvage and Shut up.
Don.....

 

[Red_desert]

I learned it as: Search, Salvage and Shut up.
Don.....

Called BE CAREFULL also!