I forgot to mention.

[lesjcbs]

JerseyJim: I asked tinpan many times if he had ever dowsed. He refused to answer either way and by his silence and attempt to dodge the question by shifting to bashing my religion, it is now understood he has not. Therefore, he really doesn't know from his own experience because he has none. One can not know about dowsing if they have not tried it for themselves. It's just the nature of the beast. Maybe you will be different. Time will tell.

BTW, asking someone if they have dowsed is not a trick question.

 

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[tinpan]

JerseyJim: I asked tinpan many times if he had ever dowsed. He refused to answer either way and by his silence and attempt to dodge the question by shifting to bashing my religion, it is now understood he has not. Therefore, he really doesn't know from his own experience because he has none. One can not know about dowsing if they have not tried it for themselves. It's just the nature of the beast. Maybe you will be different. Time will tell.

BTW, asking someone if they have dowsed is not a trick question.

When you made a general statement about Australian Aborigines, did you realize you openly insulted their culture and beliefs. No you merely used them to justify your claims. Theres about 200 different cultures with their own customs and beliefs and languages. Check before you use info, i have told you this before.


tinpan

 

[SouthJerseyJim]

Hey blind faith or not its their hobby. Lets leave em be and stick with what WE know for scientific truths.
IE. Digging up actual coins and relics the hard way with lots of walking and research. Still don't like Les though he is a liar and when I get home ill post up his exact quote asking for SWRs comments. Also the trick question was the water is everywhere one. Les you are the equivelent of a jesus freak in your hobby. Also its not a religion. But everyone else seems like their decent people.

 

[lesjcbs]

Jim: You are correct when you say when it comes dowsing, I am the equivalent of a Jesus Freak about it. Here is the definition of a Dowsing (Jesus) Freak: Someone who displays an unusual amount of enthusiasm for dowsing. Thank you for the compliment. In fact it's more than that, I feel like a kid with a new toy. FANTASTIC.

More pictures of dowsing finds coming soon.

 

[werleibr]

Hey Art. According to JerseyJim I “give you guys a bad name.” I am sorry for doing that simply by Posting my dowsing finds according to tinpans request at Post #90.

JerseyJim: It's good you are reading about dowsing to understand it more. That's exactly what I did in the beginningou, and believe it or not, I was more of a skeptic at the time than what you are now. Then after a while I decided to find out for myself if it works. So I got me a pair of rods and bingo. That's great you plan to do the same by giving it a try.

BTW, thanks for telling me all you are asking for is proof through a video. That's just a round about way of saying all my posts of junk I found while dowsing that I posted in this string, which is the proof tinpan wanted, are all lies. Well, they are proof dowsing works. You just have to find out for yourself is all.

Also, I never asked anyone to post quotes of SWR or anyone else I have on ignore as if I really wanted to secretly see them. In fact I wish they would not but it's their choice. But when they do post a quote, I can see it. You now know the truth.

BTW, it was Einstein who pointed to characteristics in our nervous system that makes dowsing possible. Here is what he said: "I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as they do astrology, as a type of ancient superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at this time."

I see nothing spooky or supernatural about what he is saying here. Do you?

Just because this is on the internet this does not make the quote true. Now I know you cannot get the true letters put up, but why does the websites that reference this quote, not put up a photocopied picture of the letter and signiture?

By the way, I find you guys all entertaining, but leave my opinion out on Dowsing. I have a strong LRL opinion which those that go to that thread will know. I only posted here now because I dislike misquotes of things.

 

[lesjcbs]

Jim: When you read this, you will probably be tired from working all day and as a result could probably make a mistake in researching where you think I asked for others to quote those I have on ignore. Now even though you called me a liar, I forgive you for that error on your part.

So, that being said, I am going to help you in your research.

The posts you are looking for are #313, #375, #413, and #452.

Post #313 is the key to it all. There I explain to Pronghorn how it is that you, and I, even though we put someone on ignore, will still see what they say but only after someone quotes them. Nowhere will you find me asking for people to quote posts or to post quotes. Rather I say: “I see you quote…..”

So if you think saying: “I see you quote……” is asking for quotes, rather than simply telling what I see, well go right ahead. I then can't help you any further.

 

[werleibr]

Jim: When you read this, you will probably be tired from working all day and as a result could probably make a mistake in researching where you think I asked for others to quote those I have on ignore. Now even though you called me a liar, I forgive you for that error on your part.

So, that being said, I am going to help you in your research.

The posts you are looking for are #313, #375, #413, and #452.

Post #313 is the key to it all. There I explain in to Pronghorn how it is that you, and I, even though we put someone on ignore, will still see what they say but only after someone quotes them. Nowhere will you find me asking for people to quote posts or to post quotes. Rather I say: “I see you quote…..”

So if you think saying: “I see you quote……” is asking for quotes, rather than simply telling what I see, well go right ahead. I then can't help you any further.

As an outsider reading and not fully engaging in the debate, (well i thought of using argument since emotions are getting in the way, but will stick with debate so hopefully it will go back to being that type of thread), I can easily say that Lesjobs has not ever asked for people to quote the people he has on ignore so he can read them. He did clearly state that he now sees what Prong posted because Art had quoted Prong and that Les was amazed in all that Prong had to say. Then Prong went on a little rant about how he was on ignore so that Les will never see what he had posted and made a comment to Art. Art then quoted what Prong had said to prove a point to Prong that Les will now see it since Prong had called him out on it. But no where in this form did Les ask for people to for quotes from those he had on ignore.

Now please back to the discussion and Les, I look forward to a movie, but please do not make same mistakes as Art has on his LRL movies. GO ahead and make them long, take it during your whole dowsing experience, put it up on Youtube, give people the minute stamps of when you find something, then the can rewind and watch the build up to it. You know similar to many of the MD videos. This will help your case, and allows us skepticts that do have open minds and are willing to be proven wrong to see how the ground cover looks as you get to an area.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Les...good job..Notice all the help for them that has showed up?..Same old B/s when the proof is easy to see...Keep on twisting their shorts..art

 

[SouthJerseyJim]

Obviously the proof isnt easy to see old timer. If it was there would be no argument. Im going back the the adult forum now. You children can now resume recess.

 

[lesjcbs]

Art and werleibr: Boy oh boy, man oh man, as Ed said in his last post #499 about things getting old. They surely are. Kind of like beating a dead horse around here now.

I am disappointed in Jim. I thought there for a moment he might follow through, as he said he was thinking about trying out dowsing. I guess not now.

Yes, I can continue twisting their shorts. Thus far I find that real easy. But my wife thinks all of us, both dowsers and skeptics, are dumber than dirt and have less brains than a Cedar fence post for carrying on like this. I'm beginning to think she's right. I have found her to be right about most things.

I am now asking myself, what's the point in all this? I'm sure there are those out there that are getting laughs and giggles out of this and I certainly am not getting paid for my time and spent energies.

Werleibr: If I made a video of my dowsing shots, all it's going to show is how it works for me and not someone else. In all honesty I certainly could not say with any kind of accuracy and thus would not say: "You can do this too. It will work for you just like it does for me." Your request for a video is the same challenge as in Post #90 and you are simply saying the pictures I posted are not true. The response to a video would be no different than the response to my still pictures.

The truth is, the key to finding out if dowsing works for you or not is not found in watching videos or looking at pictures. The key and only way to know is to try it for yourself. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY. That is all, and until someone goes and tries it for themselves, they will never know in all eternity. Beyond that, it is just empty talk from those who refuse to try it. Thus far, the only skeptic to weigh in on this subject who in my book has any shred of credibility is pronghorn. He said he dowsed but remains a skeptic. My hat and respect goes out to him.

Another point. You say you are a skeptic with an open mind. No such thing. On any given subject, a skeptic is a skeptic because they have a closed mind and maintains a doubting attitude. Yes, I was a skeptic for 62 long years, but it wasn't until I tried it myself that I found out it works for me. No video or picture could do the trick like trying it myself. I don't know how much clearer I can be for you on this truth. It is so simple.

So, I think I am going to back away from this discussion for a short while and take a vacation if you will. I will send post cards by way of pictures of my dowsing finds, with maybe a comment here and there.

Pictures coming soon. Enjoy.

 

[werleibr]

The reason I stated putting up video is for a few reasons.

1) Proves to everyone that it was Dowsing that found them, vs a Metal Detector, or Just your eye spotting the item on the ground.
2) Video can help silence others from stating that the item was planted as they will be able to see if the ground is disturbed.
3) Dowsing may work differently for you than someone else, but it shows your method.


And yes there is such a thing as a skeptic with an open mind. I don't beleive in it, however I do not rule it out that I could be wrong on my belief.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~werleibr~

1) Proves to everyone that it was Dowsing that found them, vs a Metal Detector, or Just your eye spotting the item on the ground.
2) Video can help silence others from stating that the item was planted as they will be able to see if the ground is disturbed.
3) Dowsing may work differently for you than someone else, but it shows your method.

Just look at the dialog about some simple photo’s...Wow..and you want a movie so it can be used to insult him...Art

 

[werleibr]

~werleibr~

1) Proves to everyone that it was Dowsing that found them, vs a Metal Detector, or Just your eye spotting the item on the ground.
2) Video can help silence others from stating that the item was planted as they will be able to see if the ground is disturbed.
3) Dowsing may work differently for you than someone else, but it shows your method.

Just look at the dialog about some simple photo’s...Wow..and you want a movie so it can be used to insult him...Art

Art, you of all people should know that dialoge can only be trusted so far. Yes, he is more than likely telling the full truth, but remember dialoge can be faked.. Ever read a fiction novel? Reasons you were insulted on your movies is that they all have the appearance of being staged. Now a video can be faked also, UFO videos are an example, however, with just going and digging with his Dowsing rods, it will should be tellable if it is staged or not.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~werleibr~

Art, you of all people should know that dialoge can only be trusted so far.

That is true

Yes, he is more than likely telling the full truth, but remember dialoge can be faked.. Ever read a fiction novel?

Yes I have read a fiction novel..I bought it in the fiction section of the book store..In my opinion Les is telling the truth

Reasons you were insulted on your movies is that they all have the appearance of being staged.

How come the only posters that think it appears to be fake are all skeptics? How do you make a short video with out first setting the stage?

Now a video can be faked also, UFO videos are an example,

Yes some UFO videos have been proven to be fake but many people can not explain the others

however, with just going and digging with his Dowsing rods, it will should be tellable if it is staged or not.

So we are back to using the eyeballs of skeptics as proof..Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

~SWR~

Sure it can be faked. And, it is faked in these "dowsing" threads... everyday.

Yes you skeptics are all a bunch of fakes...

 

[lesjcbs]

werleibr: Reference your post #513, sentence 1.

If you go to the Kellyco web site, you will see in their accessory section all kinds of things one can use to assist in treasure hunting. here are, scoops, shovels, diggers, picks, log books, GPS site books, hats, coils, aprons, dredges, just to name a few and the list goes on.

What I am going to tell you here has already been talked about and explained in this string in previous posts. When I dowse, I do it in three phases:

1. Get a rod cross.
2. Scan with my MD to pinpoint the target.
3. Dig out the target with my shovel.

Now, when I first posted this, the response was: See, you found it with your metal detector after all. HA HA HA. Dowsing doesn't work. Nanny nanny poo poo on you.

Now before you too rush head long into silliness, consider this. Kellyco sells an accessory called PINPOINTERS. They sell the Whites brand, Bounty Hunter brand, the Vibraprob, Garrett, and other brands and models. The least expensive is an Icepick style probe costing $19.95, and the most expensive electronic pin pointer costs $350.00. Now if you look at some of the youtube MD videos, you will see many scanning with their MD, and then, from their pocket, they bring out a PINPONTER tool to finally locate the target.

While dowsing, I use my MD as a PINPOINTING TOOL. The only difference is my PINPONTING TOOL is much larger as mine is a full size MD.

So since when was it fair and OK to use those little Pinpoints and probe tools with an Electronic MD (some of which are very high dollar detectors) to fish around in the hole or dirt pile to pinpoint the target they can't see or find, and not fair or OK to use an electronic MD as a pinpointing tool in dowsing shots?

Well, the fact is, like it or not, it is absolutely fair to use an electronic MD as a pinpointing tool in dowsing shots, and thus I do and will continue using my electronic MD to PINPOINT targets.

Now, I get the impression you are probably smarter and brighter than the average skeptic around here. So, do I need to explain this further, or do you want to nitpick?

Some skeptics would probably even have us dowsers throw away our shovels and diggers that are accessory tools also, and dig with our bare hands. Well not a chance sir. It doesn't work that way. It's as the saying goes: What is good for one is good for the other.

Here is a video showing pinpointing:

Here's another really good one:

 

[EddieR]

werleibr: Reference your post #513, sentence 1.

If you go to the Kellyco web site, you will see in their accessory section all kinds of things one can use to assist in treasure hunting. here are, scoops, shovels, diggers, picks, log books, GPS site books, hats, coils, aprons, dredges, just to name a few and the list goes on.

What I am going to tell you here has already been talked about and explained in this string in previous posts. When I dowse, I do it in three phases:

1. Get a rod cross.
2. Scan with my MD to pinpoint the target.
3. Dig out the target with my shovel.

Now, when I first posted this, the response was: See, you found it with your metal detector after all. HA HA HA. Dowsing doesn't work. Nanny nanny poo poo on you.

Now before you too rush head long into silliness, consider this. Kellyco sells an accessory called PINPOINTERS. They sell the Whites brand, Bounty Hunter brand, the Vibraprob, Garrett, and other brands and models. The least expensive is an Icepick style probe costing $19.95, and the most expensive electronic pin pointer costs $350.00. Now if you look at some of the youtube MD videos, you will see many scanning with their MD, and then, from their pocket, they bring out a PINPONTER tool to finally locate the target.

While dowsing, I use my MD as a PINPOINTING TOOL. The only difference is my PINPONTING TOOL is much larger as mine is a full size MD.

So since when was it fair and OK to use those little Pinpoints and probe tools with an Electronic MD (some of which are very high dollar detectors) to fish around in the hole or dirt pile to pinpoint the target they can't see or find, and not fair or OK to use an electronic MD as a pinpointing tool in dowsing shots?

Well, the fact is, like it or not, it is absolutely fair to use an electronic MD as a pinpointing tool in dowsing shots, and thus I do and will continue using my electronic MD to PINPOINT targets.

Now, I get the impression you are probably smarter and brighter than the average skeptic around here. So, do I need to explain this further, or do you want to nitpick?

Some skeptics would probably even have us dowsers throw away our shovels and diggers that are accessory tools also, and dig with our bare hands. Well not a chance sir. It doesn't work that way. It's as the saying goes: What is good for one is good for the other.

Here is a video showing pinpointing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqrnzUWd9mY

Here's another really good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2N58rdgmuw

I've brought up the subject about pinpointers in the past....it does no good.

 

[SouthJerseyJim]

Big question is why not skip the 1st step(dowsing rods) and just swing your metal detector? Seems pointless to even do the dowsing part. If your gonna use a MD anyway just use the machine. Your using the rods which gives you a general area im assuming. Then narrowing it down with the machine. Just cant wrap my head around the rods thing seems pointless.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~SouthJerseyJim~

Big question is why not skip the 1st step(dowsing rods) and just swing your metal detector?

The Dowsing rods are a lot fast and can search the area faster

Seems pointless to even do the dowsing part. If your gonna use a MD anyway just use the machine. Your using the rods which gives you a general area im assuming. Then narrowing it down with the machine. Just cant wrap my head around the rods thing seems pointless.

An example would be..You are standing at the south end of a football field...The only target on the field is in the north end zone. With the Dowsing Rods you can locate and follow the signal to the target rather fast..Two days later the guy with the metal detector may get to the target...Art

 

[werleibr]

werleibr: Reference your post #513, sentence 1.

If you go to the Kellyco web site, you will see in their accessory section all kinds of things one can use to assist in treasure hunting. here are, scoops, shovels, diggers, picks, log books, GPS site books, hats, coils, aprons, dredges, just to name a few and the list goes on.

What I am going to tell you here has already been talked about and explained in this string in previous posts. When I dowse, I do it in three phases:

1. Get a rod cross.
2. Scan with my MD to pinpoint the target.
3. Dig out the target with my shovel.

Now, when I first posted this, the response was: See, you found it with your metal detector after all. HA HA HA. Dowsing doesn't work. Nanny nanny poo poo on you.

Now before you too rush head long into silliness, consider this. Kellyco sells an accessory called PINPOINTERS. They sell the Whites brand, Bounty Hunter brand, the Vibraprob, Garrett, and other brands and models. The least expensive is an Icepick style probe costing $19.95, and the most expensive electronic pin pointer costs $350.00. Now if you look at some of the youtube MD videos, you will see many scanning with their MD, and then, from their pocket, they bring out a PINPONTER tool to finally locate the target.

While dowsing, I use my MD as a PINPOINTING TOOL. The only difference is my PINPONTING TOOL is much larger as mine is a full size MD.

So since when was it fair and OK to use those little Pinpoints and probe tools with an Electronic MD (some of which are very high dollar detectors) to fish around in the hole or dirt pile to pinpoint the target they can't see or find, and not fair or OK to use an electronic MD as a pinpointing tool in dowsing shots?

Well, the fact is, like it or not, it is absolutely fair to use an electronic MD as a pinpointing tool in dowsing shots, and thus I do and will continue using my electronic MD to PINPOINT targets.

Now, I get the impression you are probably smarter and brighter than the average skeptic around here. So, do I need to explain this further, or do you want to nitpick?

Some skeptics would probably even have us dowsers throw away our shovels and diggers that are accessory tools also, and dig with our bare hands. Well not a chance sir. It doesn't work that way. It's as the saying goes: What is good for one is good for the other.

Here is a video showing pinpointing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqrnzUWd9mY

Here's another really good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2N58rdgmuw

I am sorry If it came across in something I posted saying that you cannot use a MD after getting in the area. I understand that you use it to pinpoint, however, does what you dig up corrolate what you were looking for with the rods. I.E you were looking for silver, but you dig up foil. That kind of thing. I still say a video would be grand. I know about MD because I too use one. I don't use a pinpointer. I can get into an area of about the size of a pop can with my detector using the ground trec function.