I WANT GOLD!!!!

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Hey guys, I have been digging a some silver here lately and can id it pretty well. I have dug 5 silver coins and one sterling ring over the past couple of months, but no gold. My question is what does gold usually register? I took my detector to a gold shop and the guy let me run it over 14 and 24k. The 14k rang up real low like a 1 on the conductivity scale, but it wouldnt even pick up the 24k. It was a very tiny chain. I think my se pro discriminated it because the threshold became silent. For those of you that have found gold, does it ring up very low? When I left the gold shop I was thinking that I have went over a ton of those signals lol now every time I dig a similar signal its always some kind of trash. If anyone else has an se pro what digital id do you look for? I think it rang up a 14 01 or close to it. Im asking about 14k and 24k
 

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m-reese, to answer your question, think about the following analogy or test:

Take an aluminum can. Wave it in front of your SE pro in an air test. What does it read? Way up high right? Like quarter or half dollar I presume? (depending on how close to the coil you swing it, etc...). Ok, now take some tin snips and snip out a smaller quarter sized piece of the can, and wave that in front of your SE pro. That reads about mid-range on your TID, right? Now snip that piece smaller to the size of a dime. That might read down around nickel now, right? Same with the square tab (which is also aluminum): If you wave the tab, you'll get a square tab reading, right? (which is mid-range). And if you snip that tab in half, and test that, it reads lower yet, right?

But ask yourself m-reese, what changed in all those above tests? ONLY THE SIZE of the object. In each case, the composition was exactly the same: Aluminum.

So you see the folly of asking "where does aluminum read?". So too is the question: "where does gold read". Because the answer, just like aluminum, is that it "reads all over, depending on the size".

And as you can imagine, gold rings come in INFINATE shapes, sizes, karots, densities, weights, etc.... From as small as dainty wire rings or teensy women's solitaires, up to big honkin men's college class rings, etc... And chains present a problem all-on-their-own: The machine will try to see the individual links (since it's a compilation of oodles of little individual links, and not a singular target). So chains (especially dainty tinsel thin ones) give EVERY machine fits. You'd practically have to have a nugget hunting prospecting machine to find the thinner smaller ones. However, bigger gold bracelets can be detected (albeit at perhaps a waffling signal in the lower range, since the machine is still trying to see each link).

Yes, if you test a bunch of stuff in any jewelry store, you will indeed walk out thinking "gee, I pass junk signals like that all the time". Because, yes, it's no secret that gold and aluminum share the same conductivity, on a relative size per size basis. But on the other hand, while you may have passed a "ton of those signals", it's also true that you passed "tons of junk". In other words, even if you'd dug every last one of "those signals", you'd have probably gotten sick of digging junk, and given it up in disgust (assuming you're hunting junky areas, like blighted inner city turf, etc...).

So the trick to getting/finding gold, is not so much trying to figure out "where gold reads", but rather, it's a function of WHERE YOU HUNT. Junky inner city blighted parks might be good for sniping out older silver and old coins, but ......... they might not be a good place to look for gold jewelry. The ratios might just kill you (or you'd get kicked out for making too many holes, etc....). So if jewelry is your goal: try swimming beaches, which is more condusive to jewelry losses. Plus digging in sand is easier as well :)
 

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m-reese, to answer your question, think about the following analogy or test:

Take an aluminum can. Wave it in front of your SE pro in an air test. What does it read? Way up high right? Like quarter or half dollar I presume? (depending on how close to the coil you swing it, etc...). Ok, no take some tin snips and snip out a smaller quarter sized piece of the can, and wave that in front of your SE pro. That reads about mid-range on your TID, right? Now snip that piece smaller to the size of a dime. That might read down around nickel now, right? Same with the square tab (which is also aluminum): If you wave the tab, you'll get a square tab reading, right? (which is mid-range). And if you snip that tab in half, and test that, it reads lower yet, right?

But ask yourself m-reese, what changed in all those above tests? ONLY THE SIZE of the object. In each case, the composition was exactly the same: Aluminum.

So you see the folly of asking "where does aluminum read?". So too is the question: "where does gold read". Because the answer, just like aluminum, is that it "reads all over, depending on the size".

And as you can imagine, gold rings come in INFINATE shapes, sizes, karots, densities, weights, etc.... From as small as dainty wire rings or teensy women's solitaires, up to big honkin men's college class rings, etc... And chains present a problem all-on-their-own: The machine will try to see the individual links (since it's a compilation of oodles of little individual links, and not a singular target). So chains (especially dainty tinsel thin ones) give EVERY machine fits. You'd practically have to have a nugget hunting prospecting machine to find the thinner smaller ones. However, bigger gold bracelets can be detected (albeit at perhaps a waffling signal in the lower range, since the machine is still trying to see each link).

Yes, if you test a bunch of stuff in any jewelry store, you will indeed walk out thinking "gee, I pass junk signals like that all the time". Because, yes, it's no secret that gold and aluminum share the same conductivity, on a relative size per size basis. But on the other hand, while you may have passed a "ton of those signals", it's also true that you passed "tons of junk". In other words, even if you'd dug every last one of "those signals", you'd have probably gotten sick of digging junk, and given it up in disgust (assuming you're hunting junky areas, like blighted inner city turf, etc...).

So the trick to getting/finding gold, is not so much trying to figure out "where gold reads", but rather, it's a function of WHERE YOU HUNT. Junky inner city blighted parks might be good for sniping out older silver and old coins, but ......... they might not be a good place to look for gold jewelry. The ratios might just kill you (or you'd get kicked out for making too many holes, etc....). So if jewelry is your goal: try swimming beaches, which is more condusive to jewelry losses. Plus digging in sand is easier as well :)

That makes a lot of sense. I have been going solely in id's and sound and had no clue that the size changed the reading. I thought that silver would always ring up pretty much the same. I guess thats why I always get silver dimes and nothing else lol. So, even though a silver dime and a silver quarter are the same composition they will have different ids right?
 

That makes a lot of sense. I have been going solely in id's and sound and had no clue that the size changed the reading. I thought that silver would always ring up pretty much the same. I guess thats why I always get silver dimes and nothing else lol. So, even though a silver dime and a silver quarter are the same composition they will have different ids right?

On some machines, the grouping quadrants are so wide (like only 5 or 6 quadrant sections), that everything from copper pennies, to quarters, to halves, would all be grouped in the same section. But with your SE pro, yes, you will notice that the cursor does indeed land on a different area on the 3d screen, for a dime vs a quarter. However, if you're having trouble differentiating the tone/sound associated with that cursor ID spot, then that's merely a matter of going into your options and choosing ferrous vs conductive, or other such advanced options of audio choices.
 

On some machines, the grouping quadrants are so wide (like only 5 or 6 quadrant sections), that everything from copper pennies, to quarters, to halves, would all be grouped in the same section. But with your SE pro, yes, you will notice that the cursor does indeed land on a different area on the 3d screen, for a dime vs a quarter. However, if you're having trouble differentiating the tone/sound associated with that cursor ID spot, then that's merely a matter of going into your options and choosing ferrous vs conductive, or other such advanced options of audio choices.
yeah thats what I like about the machine. I never use the smartfind option. I seem to prefer the digital screen where it shows a ferrous and conductive number. If I have a 3 28 then I know I have a penny in the eighties or older. Mercury dimes usually hit 2 28 dead on and clad quarters are always 0 29, but so are the whole aluminum cans lol thats easily distinguishable as long as you lift the coil a few inches off the ground to see the size. I have yet to dig a silver quarter though. So im guessing it probably will ring higher than a mercury dime due to the size difference. A clad dime rings lower than a clad quarter even though they are the same composition and I guess a silver dime will ring lower than a silver quarter. Do you think that would be a safe assumption?
 

A silver quarter usually rings a couple points higher than a clad quarter. Toss a couple on the ground, clad and silver. You will see the difference in no time.
 

Small gold usually requires a detector that runs at 12 Khz or above. Your Bounty Hunter is running at 6.8Khz - it won't find small gold chains. I don't know what frequency that your other detector runs at (I suspect, if its a general purpose detector, its running at 8 Khz or less). Higher frequencies, while better for finding gold, have less depth compared to lower frequencies, so you see higher frequencies in detectors that have a prospecting mode, or are targeted for finding gold. My Tesoro Campadre (lowest cost Tesoro available) runs at 12 Khz and hits fine gold chains quite well - however all it has is a disc knob and speaker on it (I find that is not really an issue, but others like more info from the detector when they detect).

There are detectors that have prospecting capabilities that are also usable as general purpose detectors too - Whites MXT, Fisher Gold Bug Pro and Testoro Lobo ST come to mind (there are others). A gold specific detector is really quite useless to use for general purpose detecting (Whites GMT, Fisher Gold Bug II), so you have to figure out what you are wanting to do (specifically). All detectors are compromises and are created for specific functionality - There is no 'best' detector, but there are a lot of great ones out there, depending on your detecting goals.
 

Don't feel bad M, I've been digging for five years straight. Hundreds of silvers, dozens of rings, old coins, Minelab and White's, and have yet to dig a solid gold ring, or any other solid gold for that matter, not for lack of trying.
 

Don't feel bad M, I've been digging for five years straight. Hundreds of silvers, dozens of rings, old coins, Minelab and White's, and have yet to dig a solid gold ring, or any other solid gold for that matter, not for lack of trying.

We will have our time lol Im going to keep at it until I turn to dust and blow away if I have to. I'd like to find a gold ring for each finger. I would wear them proudly.
 

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