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I've been down in Florida for the last month. I like to detect for fun and profit. I have noticed a few things.

There are too many people now on the beaches with metal detectors. Too many in the water. Too many with dreams of finding a nice big gold ring or chain. Even their kids are hunting. Just too many. I no longer will tell people to give it a try. Never again. Not my job.

Was at South Beach in Miami. Got there early, or at least I thought. As it turned out, there were at least two dozen people detecting at the beach already at 5 am. Four people in the water and were in the water most of the night! It seems that everyone and their mother have a metal detector now. Just too many. And be honest. I am willing to bet that I am not the only one who gets a little bit peeved when you get to a beach to find it over run with people with metal detectors. I have noticed a bit of anger from the newer MD people as I say HI! They don't want any more people with metal detectors taking away their finds.

Several of the Gulf Beaches are loaded at sunrise with guys and women in the water hunting away. Some have been in the water for several hours hunting at night.
They are everywhere. Siesta beach had at least a dozen people hunting the sand on Monday morning. Hitting the volleyball courts and the towel line. I was going to hunt the water but there were 4 guys already in the water. It was still not even sun up. At 9 am. the parking lot was full at Siesta beach and the famous Siesta cruise, people driving around the parking lot looking for a parking space was in effect. The full parking lot but very few people in the water and almost no one on the beach wearing gold.

I have noticed that there are tons of pawn shops and "We buy Gold" businesses in Florida. They are everywhere! They advertise on TV. So what has happened since the price of gold and silver has shot up, people have sold off their bling. They are not wearing it in the water any more! So findings are mighty slim, at least from what I've seen.

I hunt most of the beaches on the Gulf Coast, Tampa area. Desoto, Siesta, Holmes, Venice, Clearwater, Lido...you name them, I was there. Hunting for hours and hours finding nothing this year. The years before, lots of rings and blings. This year, almost nothing. 4 Weeks of hunting the main and not so main beaches and just a little bit of clad and a few bobbles here and there. No gold at all.

Spent 4 days at the Treasure Coast. Hunted for at least 6 hours each day. The conditions at the Treasure coast is poor with lots and lots of sand. A few good storms and things might open up. I have hunted the TC in the past and have always found something...even if it was modern stuff. This year is different. I always go to the Mclarty treasure museum and talk to the guys there as they are MD'ers. They have pretty much given up hunting the Treasure Coast as the conditions are so poor. Not much modern stuff is being dropped as the beaches were empty even when the temps were in the mid to upper 80's. One of the days I had not one decent signal. It was detecting hell. Lots of can slaw and nothing else. It was a desert.

Getting back to the Gulf Coast, Before I hunt, I watch. I have noticed that there are very few people in the water. The water temps last weekend were in the mid 70's with air temps in the mid 80's. In the past, that combo meant lots of people in the water wearing lots of gold and silver. This year is way different. Not sure why. Maybe the oil spill and the use of Corexit? Not sure but it is very noticeable that there are not a lot of people in the water. And those in the water are not wearing gold. Probably sold off their gold to pay for the gasoline.

When I hunt, I often get lots of questions. Seeing how I am a water hunter, I get lots of the usual....Oh you can use that in the water? or How deep can you go with that? I often get the ....Oh, I've always wanted to do that comment. I no longer tell them to give it a try. Nope. Not any more. It's not my job to put more people on the beach to compete with me. It's not about competition. It's about finding things. And I won't be foolish to tell people to give it a try.

I tell them to truth. I tell them that up to about last year, it was a lot of fun. But now there is very little to find and that the economy has taken its toll on detecting. Modern gold is becoming a thing of the past as it has been pawned or sold outright because of the high prices. I tell them that now, you can find tons of pop can pull tabs and very little else. I tell them that they will have to spend at least a grand on a good detector with very little chance of a payback. I tell them that it takes dedication and lots of free time with a very small payback.

Yeah, you can say that detecting is more than finding gold rings or making the big find. It is about getting out and having a bit of fun. But it just isn't the same when you know that you just aren't going to be able to find what in the past was at least a hope. Now, with all the people on the beach and in the water, it just is not as fun as it used to be. Too many people trying to find what is just not there anymore.

Next year I'm going to forget about Florida and hunt the outer banks. At least I won't have to depend on modern people losing things that are not even going to be there as they have sold it off already. Or maybe get back to land hunting.
 

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ivan salis said:
now you can go elsewhere and let me find my old spanish silver in peace since you will now be hunting elsewhere .-- I'm not even going to talk about relics --like 1763 to 1783 english colonial & rev war stuff --seminole war era stuff and civil war stuff-- spanish american era campsites --- thats out there.

Ivan, I will be there Saturday morning at 6am. What is your address so we can meet up at...? :laughing7:

See you at the Aquanuts cookout at the end of the month..... :icon_thumright:
 

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funny thing folks like to "talk" to me so long as I am talking about historical sites and areas and the history of em . --- guess thats why my wifes school kids call me "the history dude" and my metal detecting club made the honorary "job" of club historian for me for sharing a lot of the info I got crammed into my skull with club members ( many of which are what I would call freinds of mine) --some "specialized" info however I do not share quite so freely with anyone --its worth big $$$ and I know it , that info will cost you.
 

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ivan salis said:
good I live in the upper NE corner area of florida * nothing left here ;D --- nothing at all -- :tongue3: -- now you can go elsewhere and let me find my old spanish silver in peace since you will now be hunting elsewhere .-- I'm not even going to talk about the "non spanish" relics --like 1763 to 1783 english colonial & rev war stuff --seminole war era stuff and civil war stuff-- spanish american war era campsites --- thats out there.
Exactly my point. The new stuff is not being dropped. There is very little new targets as the economy has taken its toll. I was pointing out that a re think of what detecting is right now is in order as things have changed....and not for the better.

Now the old stuff.....that is still there........that's what I'm talking about.........you got it right!
 

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there are several factors that are hurting then beach hunting "bling"--money-- hunters here in florida lately * --first is the fact that there was the oil spill that ruined a lot of folks ideal of florida having clean "pure" beaches * and sadly once that mental image is ruined its hard to regain it as a ideal vaction spot * -- second the economy has been sucking badly the last couple of years meaning no vaction at all for many folks * --third lots of folks being in a fiscal blind are cashing out their gold due to a wicked mixture of tough fiscal times and record gold and silver prices that means less overall jewelry in general --which means less jewelry to lose at the beach--and with record high prices folks just are not going to be buying as much bling as in the past -, they simply can not afford to --- lean times for "bling" --money--hunting folks

however for those not looking to money hunt --for jewelry -- there are always the classic relics out there to find -- some of which can be valuible --but unlike the "beach" --it often takes research to find these good spots -- research is my special niche
 

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i like coaching newbies, first i tell them to hold the detector a foot off the ground while swinging and to discriminate everything :laughing9:
 

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I have always belived that posting and showing off finds was going to to result in negative effects.
 

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Woodland Detectors said:
You can thank us for heavy promotion :D :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :headbang: I sell many detectors to the kids we teach in our program and the numbers should double this year if we are lucky. And a bunch of them live in Florida :laughing7:

You may want to find another hobby 8) ;D

My goal is to get ALL teens beeping at some point.
Don't plan on selling me a detector.
 

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dogpound said:
i like coaching newbies, first i tell them to hold the detector a foot off the ground while swinging and to discriminate everything :laughing9:

HaHa, LMAO!
 

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The bottom line for me is that I enjoy metal detecting more then knitting.
 

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dogpound said:
i like coaching newbies, first i tell them to hold the detector a foot off the ground while swinging and to discriminate everything :laughing9:
Dog..... I like that i think i will start coaching newbies like that to............ You got a good idea there dog .............. I really like that way of coaching.............
 

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AUDuke said:
I have always belived that posting and showing off finds was going to to result in negative effects.
AUDuke....... You are right there......... I have never posted or showed any of my finds or even talked about them on any fourm ......................... My thoughts on that was it was just plain stupid and just ego .... Not a bright thing to do at all......... I might get a lot mad by saying that but i don't care ........... It is just not the right thing to do ............. That's my thinking....
 

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AUDuke said:
Woodland Detectors said:
You can thank us for heavy promotion :D :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :headbang: I sell many detectors to the kids we teach in our program and the numbers should double this year if we are lucky. And a bunch of them live in Florida :laughing7:

You may want to find another hobby 8) ;D

My goal is to get ALL teens beeping at some point.
Don't plan on selling me a detector.
AUDuke ............ The reason dealers promote and show kids how to detect is they sell detectors................ And the more they get to swing detectors the more they sell ............ And the more money they make.................... Good for them bad for us............
 

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I started THing in the 60's and learned fast not to promote.

We all like bragging and talking about our finds but the more we talk the sooner the end of THing by the average working person will come.

I really enjoy TNet but like all forums it's promoting the end of the hobby. I know most won't accept that but it's true.

Treasure hunting is not like hunting animals. Once a CW relic is dug it can never be replaced.

There was a time when I could hunt anywhere downtown or in the city park. Not so today! When lots of people started hunting and digging all over the city and parks, the city officals became concerned and stopped the THers.

Back in 1968 one could walk into almost any small town and detect even on the county building lawn. One would not want to try that today in most villages.

Would I like to see the forums, etc., end? No way! But this is a fact, we're all promoting the future generations right out of the hobby.
 

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Keppy said:
AUDuke said:
I have always belived that posting and showing off finds was going to to result in negative effects.
AUDuke....... You are right there......... I have never posted or showed any of my finds or even talked about them on any fourm ......................... My thoughts on that was it was just plain stupid and just ego .... Not a bright thing to do at all......... I might get a lot mad by saying that but i don't care ........... It is just not the right thing to do ............. That's my thinking....
I always thought it was STUPID to not show your finds. I'm not scared of competition. That's my thinking.
 

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steve from ohio said:
I've been down in Florida for the last month. I like to detect for fun and profit. I have noticed a few things.

There are too many people now on the beaches with metal detectors. Too many in the water. Too many with dreams of finding a nice big gold ring or chain. Even their kids are hunting. Just too many. I no longer will tell people to give it a try. Never again. Not my job.

Was at South Beach in Miami. Got there early, or at least I thought. As it turned out, there were at least two dozen people detecting at the beach already at 5 am. Four people in the water and were in the water most of the night! It seems that everyone and their mother have a metal detector now. Just too many. And be honest. I am willing to bet that I am not the only one who gets a little bit peeved when you get to a beach to find it over run with people with metal detectors. I have noticed a bit of anger from the newer MD people as I say HI! They don't want any more people with metal detectors taking away their finds.

Several of the Gulf Beaches are loaded at sunrise with guys and women in the water hunting away. Some have been in the water for several hours hunting at night.
They are everywhere. Siesta beach had at least a dozen people hunting the sand on Monday morning. Hitting the volleyball courts and the towel line. I was going to hunt the water but there were 4 guys already in the water. It was still not even sun up. At 9 am. the parking lot was full at Siesta beach and the famous Siesta cruise, people driving around the parking lot looking for a parking space was in effect. The full parking lot but very few people in the water and almost no one on the beach wearing gold.

I have noticed that there are tons of pawn shops and "We buy Gold" businesses in Florida. They are everywhere! They advertise on TV. So what has happened since the price of gold and silver has shot up, people have sold off their bling. They are not wearing it in the water any more! So findings are mighty slim, at least from what I've seen.

I hunt most of the beaches on the Gulf Coast, Tampa area. Desoto, Siesta, Holmes, Venice, Clearwater, Lido...you name them, I was there. Hunting for hours and hours finding nothing this year. The years before, lots of rings and blings. This year, almost nothing. 4 Weeks of hunting the main and not so main beaches and just a little bit of clad and a few bobbles here and there. No gold at all.

Spent 4 days at the Treasure Coast. Hunted for at least 6 hours each day. The conditions at the Treasure coast is poor with lots and lots of sand. A few good storms and things might open up. I have hunted the TC in the past and have always found something...even if it was modern stuff. This year is different. I always go to the Mclarty treasure museum and talk to the guys there as they are MD'ers. They have pretty much given up hunting the Treasure Coast as the conditions are so poor. Not much modern stuff is being dropped as the beaches were empty even when the temps were in the mid to upper 80's. One of the days I had not one decent signal. It was detecting hell. Lots of can slaw and nothing else. It was a desert.

Getting back to the Gulf Coast, Before I hunt, I watch. I have noticed that there are very few people in the water. The water temps last weekend were in the mid 70's with air temps in the mid 80's. In the past, that combo meant lots of people in the water wearing lots of gold and silver. This year is way different. Not sure why. Maybe the oil spill and the use of Corexit? Not sure but it is very noticeable that there are not a lot of people in the water. And those in the water are not wearing gold. Probably sold off their gold to pay for the gasoline.

When I hunt, I often get lots of questions. Seeing how I am a water hunter, I get lots of the usual....Oh you can use that in the water? or How deep can you go with that? I often get the ....Oh, I've always wanted to do that comment. I no longer tell them to give it a try. Nope. Not any more. It's not my job to put more people on the beach to compete with me. It's not about competition. It's about finding things. And I won't be foolish to tell people to give it a try.

I tell them to truth. I tell them that up to about last year, it was a lot of fun. But now there is very little to find and that the economy has taken its toll on detecting. Modern gold is becoming a thing of the past as it has been pawned or sold outright because of the high prices. I tell them that now, you can find tons of pop can pull tabs and very little else. I tell them that they will have to spend at least a grand on a good detector with very little chance of a payback. I tell them that it takes dedication and lots of free time with a very small payback.

Yeah, you can say that detecting is more than finding gold rings or making the big find. It is about getting out and having a bit of fun. But it just isn't the same when you know that you just aren't going to be able to find what in the past was at least a hope. Now, with all the people on the beach and in the water, it just is not as fun as it used to be. Too many people trying to find what is just not there anymore.

Next year I'm going to forget about Florida and hunt the outer banks. At least I won't have to depend on modern people losing things that are not even going to be there as they have sold it off already. Or maybe get back to land hunting.
...Well if your swinging an ace 2fiddy that's your fault,If I was to detect the ocean I would own a P.i probably a White's and the trick is,to watch all the people I would have some binoculars and i would glass who has what in there hands.
If there just cheap detectors from wally world no big deal just fallow them around even an atpro will not go down as deep as a White's P.I machine,any V.L.F machine,beside a 5900 di pro is no match for a P.I detector,and half the people out there don't even swing a detector right there either too high off the ground or they skip,because they walk to fast,or they U.F.O,some do all the above.
I would note who dug where,who is holding what and were are they on the beach and fallow the one's who have cheap detectors in there hands problem solved.Think smarter don't work harder...liftloop
 

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After posting my finds, it became apparent there are those who monitor sites like these for there own benefit. They dont ask questions, and they dont add to the conversation. Maybe some do add, but its not to the forum, but the troll looking for fights.

There is nothing worse than going to your spot and see others there. We dont own it, but spent time and trouble to get to that spot. Another reasons laws enacted overseas to have permits and such to detect is a good idea to our own.

At that point I have a little fun. I would suggest you fill your bag with rings, coins, items like a watch. As you search, pretend to find a signal, then pull out a ring or what ever, holding it high into the light. Do the dance. Do this repeatedly as you go across the beach. Do this at the worst places to search, oh and drop a bb in the holes you just dug from...........then grab a lawn chair and watch the show when your done with your 2 dozen finds or so.

Please post a video for all of our amusements.
 

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liftloop said:
...Well if your swinging an ace 2fiddy that's your fault,If I was to detect the ocean I would own a P.i probably a White's and the trick is,to watch all the people I would have some binoculars and i would glass who has what in there hands.
If there just cheap detectors from wally world no big deal just fallow them around even an atpro will not go down as deep as a White's P.I machine,any V.L.F machine,beside a 5900 di pro is no match for a P.I detector,and half the people out there don't even swing a detector right there either too high off the ground or they skip,because they walk to fast,or they U.F.O,some do all the above.
I would note who dug where,who is holding what and were are they on the beach and fallow the one's who have cheap detectors in there hands problem solved.Think smarter don't work harder...liftloop

Never said what I swing...but it is an Excalibur II 1000 with the WOT coil and the factory 10 inch. Been water and beach hunting longer than most. Started off almost 25 years ago with a Fisher 1280X that I bought for diving. When the second version of the Excalibur came out, I bought one and the one I have now is my fourth Excalibur. So I know my stuff when it comes to water and beach hunting. I wore out my first Excalibur 1000. My second was the 8 inch blue and my third was the Excalibur II 800. The one I use now is the Excalibur II 1500 as I like to call it because it has the 15 inch WOT coil plus I can switch to the factory 10 inch if needed.

In the past on Florida beaches, I've never had a day where I did not find something of value. Many days I had two or more gold ring days. I hunted the dry and the water, whatever I felt was the better situation like if the water had high waves then dry sand is the one. Too many sun worshipers on the beach? Then the water if possible. Often 5 to 8 hours a day.

Last year, every day I hunted I found something of value. It is this year around the Gulf that I have noticed a huge drop off of finds with almost 5 weeks of water and dry sand hunting with little more than clad and a few little bobbles. No gold or silver at all. Tons of people with metal detectors on the beach and quite a few newer people in the water that I have not seen in past years.

I've seen some of the newbees with their coils a foot or more above the ground but for the most part they have pretty good coil control.

The Ace 250 I mentioned was for the newer folks who I see quite often at the beach with Ace 250's......they do work pretty well in the dry.

And I have noticed that there is a change of conditions. People are not wearing as much gold as they were in the past. There are way more people on the beaches with metal detectors. Not as many people are going into the water....for whatever reason......oil spill, corexit 9500, colder water....whatever.

My reason for posting that I won't promote is because I find it self destructive to want more people hunting when it is competition. Not that I can't compete, but spending a day metal detecting is more fun for me when at least I have a chance of finding SOMETHING! And the reasons why the newer people hunt seems to be out of economic necessity rather than because they love getting outside and enjoying the hunt.

As far as the Treasure Coast goes......I have never seen a beach that is so desert like in all my life. In three days of hunting, nothing but can slaw, a few fishing lures and a few pennies. And the sand......deep sand......with no one on the beach at all. I was the only one all the time I was there on one of the beaches and it was almost 90 degrees and sunny with fairly calm seas. No one on the beach at all. As I have found out from some of the local businesses, the vacation traffic is way down and many of the businesses are in trouble because no one is vacationing like they did in the past. I talked to some of the guys at the McLarty treasure museum who detect and they say that they don't even detect the treasure beaches much because of the re-sanding and overall conditions. I've hunted the treasure beaches in the past and found some modern stuff, but this year, nothing.....at all.....and no one on the beach......at all.

There is a big change in the people who hunt and why they hunt. 20 years ago, it was the guy who also was a ham radio guy.....who was into computers.....who knew how a metal detector worked. There was a comradery with people who metal detected. Not any more.

With the price of gold getting near $1500 an ounce and silver soon to be $50, you can bet that there will be more people that will be hunting. More laws will be passed to stop detecting. I've seen some of the messes left by newbees who dig and do not fill their holes....especially on dry land.

So if you want new people to get involved, you are sewing the seeds of your own destruction. Fewer targets and fewer places to hunt will be the result of promoting metal detecting.
 

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I'll add my 2 cents into this.....

I got out today in the Venice area. I took the old "blue box" Whites 6900di. It was set up for the beach with an attached pvc stand, and the old style, white, coil that glides over the sand nice.

I didn't detect with it...I let my parents use it (they are in their 60's), but in about 30 minutes, of totally random "hit and miss" type detecting....no set pattern, just moving around in the dry sand to kind of get an idea what was out there...they found two quarters, a nickel, a penny that had obviously been there a while, and a Hot Wheels car. Very little trash.

I saw one other guy with a detector as far as I could see up and down the beach. I got the impression he was new to detecting, because he had a MXT with the big coil...but the coil was on backwards, and he was bringing the coil up on each sweep, left and right, and had the coil at a non level angle, and a couple inches too high. Even with that...I heard him tell my mom that he had found a couple of quarters, and some other change in the short time he was out there. He seemed friendly enough...but I never got the chance to speak to him....and don't know how he would of taken any advice....so I butted out.

Another lady said she had a detector she had been thinking of taking out there.

This was first thing saturday morning....on a very small stretch of beach....that is well used, and there were good targets everywhere!

I have no doubt that if I went out there with one of my more serious machines...and spent some time, and worked an entire area real good...it would be a very successful trip. That much change in that small of an area...there had to be jewlery somewhere as well.

I think a lot of the "snow birds" are heading back up north....and the beaches are just starting to be able to get used with the warmer weather and water....so things will get better....I think the 20+ people out at once might be attributed to winter residents, and with that many people detecting, and so few people using the beaches during the winter, I would imagine it would be discouraging conditions.
 

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steve from ohio said:
Even their kids are hunting

heyyyyyy, im a kid........but i got my dad into MDing :laughing9:
 

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lookindown said:
Keppy said:
AUDuke said:
I have always belived that posting and showing off finds was going to to result in negative effects.
AUDuke....... You are right there......... I have never posted or showed any of my finds or even talked about them on any fourm ......................... My thoughts on that was it was just plain stupid and just ego .... Not a bright thing to do at all......... I might get a lot mad by saying that but i don't care ........... It is just not the right thing to do ............. That's my thinking....
I always thought it was STUPID to not show your finds. I'm not scared of competition. That's my thinking.
Well that is were we differ i think you are stupid for showing your finds and trying to build up your ego......
 

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