Indian ?

[jeff of pa]

I may have asked on this before,
I know I thought about it.
but now that I have a better Camera.

it is Not round, It's Oval
and slightly Tapered as it goes towards the Point

 

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[Atlantis0077]

Morning,

Seeing it in that light, it is too small for a roller pestle, at least any I have seen. I bet it had a sharp bit end where its is broken. Celt, chisel, gouge something like that. Nice piece and its a shame the tip is broken. There are also pieces like that called picks and even bar amulets though that is a bit in left field. Probably a chisel or gouge would be closest...definately an artifact though.

Atlantis

 

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[WhiteCountyPaleo]

i could even venture a guess for it to be a plummet...never seen one that long....maybe even a preform other end might of been snapped off to from another...but then there would be a score line...

 

[timekiller]

Hey Jeff,you sent me here awhile back for something I found.I was looking around through some of my indain sites and thought of you when I saw this.Not sure if it is but looks very close to me. Yours just being broke.Just thought you might want to look if you haven't ever found out what it is.The site is this http://www.westernartifacts.com/tools.htm scroll down to item (TMTO11).
Timekiller!

 

[jeff of pa]

Hey Jeff,you sent me here awhile back for something I found.I was looking around through some of my indain sites and thought of you when I saw this.Not sure if it is but looks very close to me. Yours just being broke.Just thought you might want to look if you haven't ever found out what it is.The site is this http://www.westernartifacts.com/tools.htm scroll down to item (TMTO11).
Timekiller!

intresting if it is, I wonder how it
made it from the Pacific Northwest
to a 20th century Anthracite Coal Mine
in Pennsylvania.

 

[timekiller]

Hey Jeff,you sent me here awhile back for something I found.I was looking around through some of my indain sites and thought of you when I saw this.Not sure if it is but looks very close to me. Yours just being broke.Just thought you might want to look if you haven't ever found out what it is.The site is this http://www.westernartifacts.com/tools.htm scroll down to item (TMTO11).
Timekiller!

intresting if it is, I wonder how it
made it from the Pacific Northwest
to a 20th century Anthracite Coal Mine
in Pennsylvania.

Don't know that one Just thought the size and color and all looked close to yours!His pic. makes it look about the size of yours beside the tape he has.When I saw it you are what I thought of first.I was in there looking up celts for that one I found the other day.Maybe someone else might know better now. His is a little wider after looking again,but along the same lines I feel.
Timekiller!

 

[jeff of pa]

I agree it is Extremely Close


not sure if it's the Pic of his,

but his looks like a Rougher surface,
& Lighter Black (Different Material)

but shape is very close

 

[pointdlr]

Jeff,

Let me help everyone out on this one. It is not a prehistoric artifact. It is actually a 1700-1900 knife sharpener. I found one years ago, and thought it was an artifact also. I took it to a guy who showed me 4 or 5 of them and explained the mystery.

I could find pics of mine somewhere if you wanted to see it.

Regards,

Jon Dickinson

 

[Tnmountains]

Jeff,

Let me help everyone out on this one. It is not a prehistoric artifact. It is actually a 1700-1900 knife sharpener. I found one years ago, and thought it was an artifact also. I took it to a guy who showed me 4 or 5 of them and explained the mystery.

I could find pics of mine somewhere if you wanted to see it.

Regards,

Jon Dickinson

I think pictures would be appropriate to disprove prehistoric Jon.
TnMtns

 

[uniface]

If you mean a whetstone for sharpening scythes (plausible), why are the use scratches on it running laterally instead of end-to-end ?

 

[creek astronaut]

that is not a sharpening stone,it is old. pretty sure that it is a gouge.a rare find but is more commonly found in the eastern states.used in the archaic.great piece.

 

[jeff741972]

That must be what you had told me about. The gouges I have seen where bigger, but who knows? It could of been for carving or even writeing on a cave wall? When I see you again i will have to look at it closer to see if its pecked and polished or what, hell maybe it is a sharpening stone. Its hard to tell without feeling the surface.

 

[Tnmountains]

Jeff,

Let me help everyone out on this one. It is not a prehistoric artifact. It is actually a 1700-1900 knife sharpener. I found one years ago, and thought it was an artifact also. I took it to a guy who showed me 4 or 5 of them and explained the mystery.

I could find pics of mine somewhere if you wanted to see it.

Regards,

Jon Dickinson

I think pictures would be appropriate to disprove prehistoric Jon.
TnMtns

I thought the point doctor was going to help everyone out on this one??

 

[jeff of pa]

I am Not arguing either Point,
because I don't Know.

But I Have Stone Sharpeners
And the Type of Stone Feels & appears to be
Different then the sharpening stones I Have

 

[pointdlr]

Here you go with pics. Mine is not broken. Same material, same approximate size, same use.
Not trying to start a big disagreement over this or trying to be Mr. Knowitall. Just so happens I ran into the same thing, and I thought it was a prehistoric also. These objects get confused a bunch. I have seen them sell as "ceremonial picks" for hundreds of dollars, but they are scith/knife sharpeners.
Regards,
Jon Dickinson.

 

[timekiller]

Here you go with pics. Mine is not broken. Same material, same approximate size, same use.
Not trying to start a big disagreement over this or trying to be Mr. Knowitall. Just so happens I ran into the same thing, and I thought it was a prehistoric also. These objects get confused a bunch. I have seen them sell as "ceremonial picks" for hundreds of dollars, but they are scith/knife sharpeners.
Regards,
Jon Dickinson.

Gotta say looks like it.Also glad you showed yours.Never heard of it!
Timekiller!

 

[Tnmountains]

Here you go with pics. Mine is not broken. Same material, same approximate size, same use.
Not trying to start a big disagreement over this or trying to be Mr. Knowitall. Just so happens I ran into the same thing, and I thought it was a prehistoric also. These objects get confused a bunch. I have seen them sell as "ceremonial picks" for hundreds of dollars, but they are scith/knife sharpeners.
Regards,
Jon Dickinson.

Who would have thought. That looks like it. I have never seen anything that looked like that and was not an artifact of some sort. Sharpening stone. I have some old ones from the Hudson bay co. but they are square. Pretty neat point doctor.

 

[jeff of pa]

Here you go with pics. Mine is not broken. Same material, same approximate size, same use.
Not trying to start a big disagreement over this or trying to be Mr. Knowitall. Just so happens I ran into the same thing, and I thought it was a prehistoric also. These objects get confused a bunch. I have seen them sell as "ceremonial picks" for hundreds of dollars, but they are scith/knife sharpeners.
Regards,
Jon Dickinson.

I Won't argue & Will take your word
for it even though Mine dosn't taper that much.
But for all I know there are Different Types :P

Anyway Thanks for the pic !

 

[Jonnyreb]

Well, I dont have any new input here. Matt is pretty well the most knowlegable of anyone I know of. The "broken" end looks to me like it was re used though. In one of the close ups, at least for me, the tooling marks are fairly obvious. Its a nice peice. Thanks for showing. Now I guess I'll go through my pics and see if I got some of mine photoed.

 

[Miami-valley-artifacts]

My family owns a farm from the early 1800's it has been in my family's name for the entire time as well. We still have the scythes and corn knives that were sharpened with these types of stones and still have some of the sharpening stone to go with them. They were made that way to fit in your pocket is what my grandfather always told me. We also find stones that look exactly like what you have, in our fields every time we turn the soil. I wish they were pick banners or artifacts because I would have a hell of a collection of them. just my 2 cents worth. Scott