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info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from havana

ivan salis

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many other highly well known "professional" treasure hunters have read the PS at the bottom of alexaders spotswood letter of Oct 24th , 1715 and wrongly assumed it was talking about the nao SAN MIGUEL -- but not so fast my freinds -- upon farther reveiw by me --- I find that it should be properly read this way --- to say this --- that a bark* that was sent from havana to the 1715 fleet wrecksite which picked up a large amount of silver and important people that survived the 1715 fleet disaster later sank with no survivors while going to spain "about 40 miles to the NORTHWARD of St Augustine"--- the bark was carrying silver recovered from the fleet and VIP people of note.

there is also a letter from cuba to the viceroy of mexico dated Oct 19th,1715 that states according to reports from St Augustine --- "15 leagues to the leeward of this port (St Augustine) wreckage of a large vessel or vessels was found on the shore" --- using the old spanish league of 2. 6 miles per league -- 15 leagues is equal to 39 miles --- and by refering to the english letter it is clear that "leeward" is to the north.

in plain words --- there are 2 "historically valid" documents from the 1715 era by the british and the spanish that both state there is a wreck in the nasssau sound bay area -- --(39 to 40 miles NORTHWARD OF ST AUGUSTINE)

worthy of note is the fact that there is a map of AMELIA ISLAND and the surrounding waters made by CAPT WILLIAM FULLER ---IN NOV OF 1769 * that shows a shipwreck in nassau sound in the right zone -- funny thing is it is the only ship wreck noted on the map and it was outside of the normal island shipping channel areas--- (so it had to be important)

I have submitted a claim with the state of florida for claim of discovery but they say its in a "aquatic preserve zone" so "no profit salvage recovery permit will be issued" only "reseach permits"

so please read it for yourself and see what you think -- now tell me do I make my case and do you think I'm correct?
a simple yes or no will do -- however you can say more if you wish to of course. I'd like to hear your thoughts on it .

Ivan
 

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Neat Ivan you did alot of reseach hope you can cash in on it.

SKD
 
Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

Not so much stunned as ignorant and nothing to add.
 
Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

Hmmmm... :dontknow: dunno...
 
Wow its looks like you've done way to much DD on this to walk away and leave it, so here's what I would do as a starter get the research permit and get yourself out there to see if you can locate the vessle or some clues to its where abouts, now if you are correct in this and you find your location and can prove the Silver's still down there you'll need to get the a treasure hunter company involved who can get round the Goverments red tape by greasing the right hands, of course by doing this you might only come out with a 10-15% but better than nothing.

Good luck
 
Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

Shoe said:
Not so much stunned as ignorant and nothing to add.
Ditto
 
Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

Hi Ivan

One never knows for sure about these kinds of things but you have done a lot of homework to distinguish the possibility that what you say has merit.

One can not know until one looks... If your intuition says "Yes" then trust that there is a reason you need to research this ship. It may not be the reason you suspect but could be a whole lot better than you anticipate.

Any idea on the depth that you will need to dive or is it in shallow water?

This information is pretty exciting... so do not think that you will be boring us... we will envision ourselves there with you.


Thanks for sharing and trusting your fellow searchers here on TreasureNet.

Sanat
 
shallow water under sand for the most part
 
Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

Interesting theres rumours spreading aroungdchat that someone with the initials IS has made a mojor discovery $3 million in gold is that u Ivan if so good luck and God speed.

Best wishes S.i.r
 
no that IS not me --yet ---- I'm working on it though :D --- Ivan
 
Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

ivan salis said:
no that IS not me --yet ---- I'm working on it though :D --- Ivan
Interesting choice of words Ivan not yet working on it I understand you may not want to announce this early good luck with your endeavors.

ps keep us all informed here.
 
honestly , I have not recovered so much as one thin dime yet -- like I said over and over again -- I have to get the salvage permits --any harvest must be legally done or not at all --- the devil is in the details --- finding a treasure these days is actually easier than being able to get the all the paperwork and get thru all the legal mumbo - jumbo needed to get at it these days----Ivan
 
Super job on your research. It shows alot of the new people on this forum, if you do your homework it will come back to help in the end. :icon_sunny: :icon_sunny: :icon_sunny: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

the chat is a buzz with rumours of a fabulous treasure find whilst most agree they wouldn't announce whole sale perhaps just pm a few close friends.

I hope perhaps to get a pm one day off a particular member containing a phrase such as the Eagle has landed just to confirm the find.

Best wishes S.I.R

P.s there is talk of $3 million after taxes and recovery costs estimated 1.2 Million better off
 
I will be praying for you and wishing many wonderful things to you from all your hard work. You deserve it and stay focused on your dream :thumbsup:
 
yes but just like hitting the lotto (if you take the give it to me now option ) or your weekly pay checks -- you only wind up with about 1/ 3 of what you started with by the time it gets home --- sad but true -- but hey thats life in america these days --so lets say once harvested its a $3 million wreck --using the standard split ratio--- state gets 20% (600,000 worth --plus the fees you put up for permits) --the actual salvors would do the actual work and who provide the working capital would get 70% to 75% ( say 2,100,00 to 2.225,000) leaving me the actual finder of the wrecksitebetween 10% to 5% ---( 300,000 max to 175,000 min (pre tax) of which after all is said and done paying the taxes would be about 150,000 to 100,000 most likely --not bad --but its not nearly the crazy money most folk think of -- the reality is way differant than the dream. -- (but it sure beats working like a dog to get that 100 - 150K)--- :wink:--- hey 100 --150 K is 3 to 5 years take home wages from "a normal person" with a good job (30,000 take home a year after all the taxes) ---(100 - 150K clear for using my brains not a bad payday in my book-- now how to "seal the deal" and get paid)--

the reason I'm spilling the beans publicly is simple --state of florida govt has me blocked - -no permits means no legal salvage thus no benefit to me ( so only looters are benefiting from the wreck at this time --slowly picking it to death)-- by announcing the find "offically"-- I may get offers on book about how I "did" it --how did I find it ? (which could produce some money)-- also after the "find" is annouced if looters attempt to loot the site (which I'm sure they will - count on it )-- I can then make case that to "protect" the wrecksite it "needs"to be salvaged -- if the state fails to allow it to be salvaged they are in effect condoning the looting which they can not do since they have a sworn duty to protect state assets -- if the state treasury doors were open and folks were taking money out the state folks would have to get off their butts and "close and lock" the door right? --well the looters would be taking state assets so the state will have to allow salvage of it to protect the assets from "theft" --ta dah!!! --salvage permits granted --- its like a legal game of chess--- Ivan
 
ivan salis said:
yes but just like hitting the lotto (if you take the give it to me now option ) or your weekly pay checks -- you only wind up with about 1/ 3 of what you started with. --- sad but true -- but thats life -- a $3 million wreck --using the standard split ratio--- state gets 20% (600,000 worth --plus the fees you put up for permits) --the actual salvors would do the actual work and who provide the working capital would get 70% to 75% ( say 2,100,00 to 2.225,000) leaving me the actual finder of the wrecksite between 10% to 5% ---( 300,000 max to 175,000 min (pre tax) of which after all is said and done paying the taxes would be about 150,000 to 100,000 most likely --not bad --but its not nearly the crazy money most folk think of -- the reality is way differant than the dream. -- (but it sure beats working like a dog to get that 100K)--- :wink:---

the reason I'm spilling the beans is simple --states govt has me two blocked --no permits means no legal salvage thus no benefit to me ( so only looters are benefiting from the wreck at this time --slowing picking it to death)-- by announcing the find "offically"-- I may get offers on book about how I "did" it --how did I find it ? -- also after the "find" is annouced if looters attempt to loot the site (which I'm sure they will - count on it )-- I can then make case that to "protect" the wrecksite it "needs"to be salvaged -- if the state fails to allow it to be salvaged they are in effect condoning the looting which they can not do since they have a sworn duty to protect state assets -- if the state treasury doors were open and folks were taking money out the state folks would have to get off their butts and "close and lock" the door right? --well the looters would be taking state assets so the state will have to allow salvage of it to protect the assets --ta dah!!! --salvage permits granted --- its like a legal game of chess--- Ivan

As our talks before my friend I willdo what ever I can for you to help your dream be fullfilled. Raise cane with congressman, senators etc
 
Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

interesting
 

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