info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from havana

ivan salis · Mar 12, 2008

many other highly well known "professional" treasure hunters have read the PS at the bottom of alexaders spotswood letter of Oct 24th , 1715 and wrongly assumed it was talking about the nao SAN MIGUEL -- but not so fast my freinds -- upon farther reveiw by me --- I find that it should be properly read this way --- to say this --- that a bark* that was sent from havana to the 1715 fleet wrecksite which picked up a large amount of silver and important people that survived the 1715 fleet disaster later sank with no survivors while going to spain "about 40 miles to the NORTHWARD of St Augustine"--- the bark was carrying silver recovered from the fleet and VIP people of note.

there is also a letter from cuba to the viceroy of mexico dated Oct 19th,1715 that states according to reports from St Augustine --- "15 leagues to the leeward of this port (St Augustine) wreckage of a large vessel or vessels was found on the shore" --- using the old spanish league of 2. 6 miles per league -- 15 leagues is equal to 39 miles --- and by refering to the english letter it is clear that "leeward" is to the north.

in plain words --- there are 2 "historically valid" documents from the 1715 era by the british and the spanish that both state there is a wreck in the nasssau sound bay area -- --(39 to 40 miles NORTHWARD OF ST AUGUSTINE)

worthy of note is the fact that there is a map of AMELIA ISLAND and the surrounding waters made by CAPT WILLIAM FULLER ---IN NOV OF 1769 * that shows a shipwreck in nassau sound in the right zone -- funny thing is it is the only ship wreck noted on the map and it was outside of the normal island shipping channel areas--- (so it had to be important)

I have submitted a claim with the state of florida for claim of discovery but they say its in a "aquatic preserve zone" so "no profit salvage recovery permit will be issued" only "reseach permits"

so please read it for yourself and see what you think -- now tell me do I make my case and do you think I'm correct?
a simple yes or no will do -- however you can say more if you wish to of course. I'd like to hear your thoughts on it .

Ivan

strike it rich · Mar 27, 2008

Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

this looks like being a hot one any update Ivan like how you plan to spend the loot

kntutt · Mar 29, 2008

Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

Ivan:

The Gov't has closed the door at this point. I always make it a point when I need to get to the other side of a door to go through the door, around the door, over the door or under the door. In other words I am getting to the other side even if I have to make a new door. This is the Gov't their job is to control their subjects, in this case you, and you bit. Now take another look at the situation and remember the Gov't is motivated by money.

Get the research permit that allows you to search the area. Lay out a grid and either you or some people you trust or have sign a contract get ready to search the grid. Go to an attorney who is willing to fight the Gov't for a piece of the recovery and give him a one hour payment up front to legally lock him in. Than go and research the grid. If you find something you can than look at negotiating with the Gov't through your attorney and than set see how you want to go about salvaging the findings. The Gov't would love to get free money if it is down there.

A word of warning. Florida Attorney's have a very bad reputation in terms of their competence or lack of. I have dealt with a handful of attorney's from that state and hate to say it but the statements are accurate. Be careful in searching for a good attorney.

strike it rich · Mar 30, 2008

Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

kntutt said:
Ivan:

The Gov't has closed the door at this point. I always make it a point when I need to get to the other side of a door to go through the door, around the door, over the door or under the door. In other words I am getting to the other side even if I have to make a new door. This is the Gov't their job is to control their subjects, in this case you, and you bit. Now take another look at the situation and remember the Gov't is motivated by money.

Get the research permit that allows you to search the area. Lay out a grid and either you or some people you trust or have sign a contract get ready to search the grid. Go to an attorney who is willing to fight the Gov't for a piece of the recovery and give him a one hour payment up front to legally lock him in. Than go and research the grid. If you find something you can than look at negotiating with the Gov't through your attorney and than set see how you want to go about salvaging the findings. The Gov't would love to get free money if it is down there.

A word of warning. Florida Attorney's have a very bad reputation in terms of their competence or lack of. I have dealt with a handful of attorney's from that state and hate to say it but the statements are accurate. Be careful in searching for a good attorney.

A well thought of and well writtern reply good sound advice I hope Ivan goes for it and wins. I hope I speak for us all when I say you win we all do

I've got all my fingers and toes crossed for this guy don't know him personally but that don't mean I aint rooting for him.

So go forth sieze the day hope to see your update when you achieve this task and if you do go for it and you land flat on your ass dust yourself down and go for it with renewed vigour.

all the best S.I.R

ivan salis · Mar 30, 2008

when dealing with state folks often in matters like this --- a few pounds of cash mixed well with a ton of big brass nads and carefully added to few oz's of brains with a dash of good luck are a winning recipe-- cuz finding the treasure is only part of the problem---(as bob marx is famous for saying "treasure is trouble" --- truer words were never spoken------ Ivan

strike it rich · Mar 30, 2008

Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

ivan salis said:
when dealing with state folks often in matters like this --- a few pounds of cash mixed well with a ton of big brass nads and carefully added to few oz's of brains with a dash of good luck are a winning recipe-- cuz finding the treasure is only part of the problem---(as bob marx is famous for saying "treasure is trouble" --- truer words were never spoken------ Ivan

I hear you Ivan but this treasure is going to be worth the long haul I've heard figures like $3 million in chat and in other place's I think if anything that is being modest try the $115 million bracket.

Could this be nearer the true value of course I don't expect confirmation god knows I wouldn't

kntutt · Mar 30, 2008

Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

ivan salis said:
when dealing with state folks often in matters like this --- a few pounds of cash mixed well with a ton of big brass nads and carefully added to few oz's of brains with a dash of good luck are a winning recipe-- cuz finding the treasure is only part of the problem---(as bob marx is famous for saying "treasure is trouble" --- truer words were never spoken------ Ivan

Don't try to do anything underhanded such as attempting to grease the system. This is a business transaction and nothing more. Play by the rules but first find out from your attorney if there is any recourse for you in terms of legal rights to the treasure if you find something. You don't want to go through work and expense if your attorney does not think you have a chance to keep a percentage of what you find.

ivan salis · Mar 31, 2008

the few pounds of cash are to pay a good atty :wink:

nothing underhanded --strickly by the book ---100% legit thats me.--- it takes a long time but whats the rush if not me then my heirs -- sooner or later it'll pay off.

kntutt · Mar 31, 2008

Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

ivan salis said:
the few pounds of cash are to pay a good atty nothing underhanded --strickly by the book ---100% legit thats me.--- it takes a long time but whats the rush if not me then my heirs -- sooner or later it'll pay off.

There you go. Get it all set up legally because if there is anything of value there people will come out of the woodwork trying to get it away from you. Try and get it sooner rather than later. Your heirs won't appreciate it as much as you will.

strike it rich · Mar 31, 2008

Seat belts on strap in gotta feeling this is going be a roller coaster of a ride

unclejesse67 · Mar 31, 2008

If the wreck was in such shallow water and so well known back in the day, wouldn't someone have recovered any valuables already?

strike it rich · Mar 31, 2008

unclejesse67 said:
If the wreck was in such shallow water and so well known back in the day, wouldn't someone have recovered any valuables already?

good point but who know perhaps the author of this thread can shed light on it.;

ivan salis · Mar 31, 2008

there was several reasons why the site was not heavily plundlered in the past -- first its in a area where its ringed by sharp rough oyster beds --making it dangerous for any normal small wooden rowboat type vessels to get near it --for fear of getting sunk by being bashed to bits on the beds --then if you swim out into the area after anchoring nearby you face the prospect of getting shreadded to bits by the oyster bar reefs while trying to recover the goods --- if the numerous sharks in the area smelling blood in water don't eat you first ---now add to it the fact that it was in spanish waters back in 1715 thus the spanish would not take kindyly to you trying to "poach" their wreck ---while wreckage was found on the beach nearby in 1715 since there was no survivors of the wreck --they only knew where the wooden debris was found (thus they had a general idea of the area of where it might have sank)-- but they did not know not where it was exactly located in 1715* --now fast forward 54 years to Nov of 1769 ---as english capt william fuller was mapping the sound doing a chart of it --he finds a wreck and charts it --unaware of the events of 1715 --over 50 years earlier--- thus the two events "link" --the lost 1715 recovery vessel reported lost in the area -- the wreck on the map and the bonus --past reports of 1715 era type spanish coins in the area--- ( I thru my research tie the links together) ---Ivan

Detectingfreak · Mar 31, 2008

I did not get what I was reading in the little letter. I dunno :sleepy2:

strike it rich · Mar 31, 2008

Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

ivan salis said:
there was several reasons why the site was not heavily plundlered in the past -- first its in a area where its ringed by sharp rough oyster beds --making it dangerous for any normal small wooden rowboat type vessels to get near it --for fear of getting sunk by being bashed to bits on the beds --then if you swim out into the area after anchoring nearby you face the prospect of getting shreadded to bits by the oyster bar reefs while trying to recover the goods --- if the numerous sharks in the area smelling blood in water don't eat you first ---now add to it the fact that it was in spanish waters back in 1715 thus the spanish would not take kindyly to you trying to "poach" their wreck ---while wreckage was found on the beach nearby in 1715 since there was no survivors of the wreck --they only knew where the wooden debris was found (thus they had a general idea of the area of where it might have sank)-- but they did not know not where it was exactly located in 1715* --now fast forward 54 years to Nov of 1769 ---as english capt william fuller was mapping the sound doing a chart of it --he finds a wreck and charts it --unaware of the events of 1715 --over 50 years earlier--- thus the two events "link" --the lost 1715 recovery vessel reported lost in the area -- the wreck on the map and the bonus --past reports of 1715 era type spanish coins in the area--- ( I thru my research tie the links together) ---Ivan

thanks for the brillant answer Ivan guess youve done your homework

ivan salis · Mar 31, 2008

yep its called research finding the links --the 1715 era guys know the was a wreck nearby but where ?---the 1769 guys knew there was a wreck but not the importance of it -- the locals that found coins didn't know the who or what just that they found coins now and then --- I took the loose ends and tracked down the events linking them together -- that what I do "research" --kinda like detective work sort of.

strike it rich · Apr 3, 2008

Re: info on wreck of the 1715 fleet rescue and silver recovery bark sent from ha

ivan salis said:
yep its called research finding the links --the 1715 era guys know the was a wreck nearby but where ?---the 1769 guys knew there was a wreck but not the importance of it -- the locals that found coins didn't know the who or what just that they found coins now and then --- I took the loose ends and tracked down the events linking them together -- that what I do "research" --kinda like detective work sort of.

any news Ivan