Is map dowsing a hoax?

[aarthrj3811]

~ClonedSIM~

Again, if you won't want to try it, then just step aside and let others try.

Have I stopped anyone from dowsing your Map?..NO...Just keep the excuses coming..Art

 

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[aarthrj3811]

~Groves

`What exactly is a "know" target?

Welcome back...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Hi Cloned,
I get requests from people all the time to dowse something to prove to them that it works and I usually won't do it.
Why?
1. It takes time, I am currently about to leave to look at some real estate listings. I am a realtor and mortgage broker.
2. I won't quit my job for some time spent to prove my own hobby.
3. There will be many taking me to task for what I did or didn't find.
4. I have my own things to dowse.
5. I don't see dowsers gettting paid for their successful dowsing unless it is water dowsing, no promises to pay are
kept by the requester.
6. You have enough info to get started, prove it to yourself or give up.
7. As I mentioned earlier, most requests don't have accurate info and it just misleads the dowser.
8. It takes a lot of time to do accurate work.
Good luck
Rich

I can understand a couple of these reasons, but you'd think that you could make a couple fewer posts to dowse a photo of only about two acres. I never post here when I'm out hunting, regardless of whether I'm helping someone look for a lost bit of jewelry or not, no reason the same thing couldn't be done here.

And I'm not trying to trap anyone. Like I said, I'd be happy to give a third party a map with all of the water and electrical locations already marked, so there's no treachery on my part to try and "get" someone. I'll make sure that everyone can see these before and after shots, and let people make their own decisions. And who on Earth is asking you to quit your job, I'm just asking for someone to look at a picture??

I'm not looking for untapped water supplies, just water lines 3-4 feet or less below the ground, and again, some of these will be visible right from the surface of the photo. And, no, I'm not offering payment for someone to tell me where water lines are that I put there but, and I've said it more than once, if you happen to find something that has value, I'll post photos here and split the value of the find it with whoever located it. Here in front of everyone I'll say that, and I've been a member here for nearly 8 years. (Actually, even longer than that, but I took a hiatus a few years back after moving and had to come in with a new screen name after that. My first post here was nearly 13 years ago.)

Of course I have enough info to get started, but what does it prove if I walk out and the rods cross over a target that, not only did I know was there, but I buried myself? How am I going to know there's actually something happening, or if I did it on my own through ideomotor? It's like I said in my response to Art, I wouldn't think I was a great metal detectorist if I found all of the coins I had planted for test purposes... That's why I turned to the pros, that way if you nail all the utility lines, great, but if you run across anything else while doing that, then I have a chance to do some real testing.

And trust me, my request is very accurate. i already said that the photo I can post will be 2 acres at the most, and I told everyone exactly which active and inactive lines are buried within the scope of the photo. No one can get more accurate than that, unless I told you exactly where the targets were, and I already assume any of you could tell me where they are after that.

 

[ClonedSIM]

~ClonedSIM~

Have I stopped anyone from dowsing your Map?..NO...Just keep the excuses coming..Art

No excuses, Art, just your paranoia again. I'm not trying to trap anyone, I'll let anyone who wants to see the map, and I've narrowed the search area down to two acres, and I've told you exactly which targets are in the area of the photo I will provide. Unless I gave you the map marked with all of the locations already, I can't make it too much easier....

So I'll phrase it differently.

If you aren't confident enough in your dowsing skills to attempt this, then leave this subject alone and let's you and I move on to another topic.

Unless your point is to attempt to dissuade other dowsers from even attempting this, in which case I would have to seriously question your honesty and motives....

 

[TeAra]

I had a picture dowsed for me didn't tell anyone what I was looking for and they were able to hit 2 marks. One mark was best for what I was looking for so I went and dug and found what I was wanting to find. A spring. I have been look for this spring for over a year now and with the help of the ones who read for me I found it. The other was rocks which made my day as well. Found quartz clusters which what was also on my mind when I asked. So I can say yes dowsing is REAL. Just have to have in mind when you are asking to find.

 

[ClonedSIM]

I had a picture dowsed for me didn't tell anyone what I was looking for and they were able to hit 2 marks. One mark was best for what I was looking for so I went and dug and found what I was wanting to find. A spring. I have been look for this spring for over a year now and with the help of the ones who read for me I found it. The other was rocks which made my day as well. Found quartz clusters which what was also on my mind when I asked. So I can say yes dowsing is REAL. Just have to have in mind when you are asking to find.

Wait, just so I understand.

You sent a photo of a piece of land to a map-dowser, which he in turn dowsed and found a couple of locations for you? But you're basing the success of the hunt on what you wanted to find? That flies in the face of what a lot of dowsers have told me, that the dowser has to be thinking of the target, not the landowner.

Also, I've been told more than once that the search criteria has to be specific in order for a map dowser to do any kind of locating, but you said that you didn't tell anyone about any targets on your picture and that wasn't a problem.

I ask you, how can a single activity have so many conflicting rules? Do dowsers ever actually talk to each other about dowsing, or is it only about how much they hate skeptics??

 

[recondigger]

You know what I don't get. Is why people are such jerks. If you don't believe in dowsing why would you come on the thread just to be a jerk and go against every thing people say just to do it.

 

[ClonedSIM]

You know what I don't get. Is why people are such jerks. If you don't believe in dowsing why would you come on the thread just to be a jerk and go against every thing people say just to do it.

Who are you referring to?

 

[recondigger]

Well you know what they say about the shoe

 

[aarthrj3811]

~ClonedSIM~

I ask you, how can a single activity have so many conflicting rules?

There are no conflicting rules..It is a hobby where you decide what works best for you

Do dowsers ever actually talk to each other about dowsing,

We try to when we are not deluged by silly comments.

or is it only about how much they hate skeptics??

No..we get along just fine..Art

 

[TeAra]

Wait, just so I understand.

You sent a photo of a piece of land to a map-dowser, which he in turn dowsed and found a couple of locations for you? But you're basing the success of the hunt on what you wanted to find? That flies in the face of what a lot of dowsers have told me, that the dowser has to be thinking of the target, not the landowner.

Also, I've been told more than once that the search criteria has to be specific in order for a map dowser to do any kind of locating, but you said that you didn't tell anyone about any targets on your picture and that wasn't a problem.

I ask you, how can a single activity have so many conflicting rules? Do dowsers ever actually talk to each other about dowsing, or is it only about how much they hate skeptics??

I'm not a dowser I couldn't dowse crap if it was in front of me. But I promise you I did not tell anyone on here what I was searching for. When I posted my picture on here I had in my mind I wanted to find water or rocks. I was told that what the dowser has hits on is what the person asking for the dowsing is wanting. It is no different than when they used certain things back in the old days to find wells...gold and such. You just have to have an open mind.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Well you know what they say about the shoe

It is a useful invention that has helped mankind throughout the centuries travel over rough terrain and prevent frostbite?

OH! An old lady lived in one?

There's a snake in my boot?

The phrase "The shoe is on the other foot," is completely inapplicable here, so I guess I'm stumped.

 

[ClonedSIM]

I'm not a dowser I couldn't dowse crap if it was in front of me. But I promise you I did not tell anyone on here what I was searching for. When I posted my picture on here I had in my mind I wanted to find water or rocks. I was told that what the dowser has hits on is what the person asking for the dowsing is wanting. It is no different than when they used certain things back in the old days to find wells...gold and such. You just have to have an open mind.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. More than one dowser's post talked about how my requests were too broad, even though I told the map-dowsers exactly what it is that I was looking for and narrowed the search acre to two acres. How is it that someone would accept you map dowsing challennge without even knowing what they were looking for?

This is my concern, how is my request too broad? It can't be becasue I'm a non-believer. You can call me a skeptic, but I said more than once if someone indicated gold, silver, copper, any kind of unnexpected item on my land, I'd go out and attempt to find it, and then split the value with the member that spotted it. I metal detect constatly, and even bought a 65 Mustang with spare change I've found detecting over the past few years, what do they have to lose?

My only theory at this point, given the information I've been provided with, is that dowsers are afraid they're going to miss something as "supposedly" simply as a 4 inch active water line, and are instead giving weak excuses why it can't be done.

 

[TeAra]

I was not asked what do I want to find. I was told my some old time dowsers around my neck of the woods that it is what we want. Not from anyone on here. They may be picking up on alot of what you are looking for. You gotta think if you ask for gold it could be bars, coins, a ring or anything with gold in it. Same with the rest you are asking for. I know of some local that dowse but I refused to use them because they want a payment whether they hit a target or not.

 

[ClonedSIM]

I was not asked what do I want to find. I was told my some old time dowsers around my neck of the woods that it is what we want. Not from anyone on here. They may be picking up on alot of what you are looking for. You gotta think if you ask for gold it could be bars, coins, a ring or anything with gold in it. Same with the rest you are asking for. I know of some local that dowse but I refused to use them because they want a payment whether they hit a target or not.

You'll get the same information from the dowsers here, except that some of them will tell you to atttach a film canister to your rods with the item you want to find inside of it. Or they'll tell you only to detect with a magent in your shoe, or in your ear (really) mouth or nose, or they'll tell you to hunt only in boxer briefs, whatever they think will help.

Now, I can't fault them for wanting to do better, but some of what they try is pretty off the wall.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~ClondedSIM~

You'll get the same information from the dowsers here, except that some of them will tell you to atttach a film canister to your rods with the item you want to find inside of it. Or they'll tell you only to detect with a magent in your shoe, or in your ear (really) mouth or nose, or they'll tell you to hunt only in boxer briefs, whatever they think will help.

Now, I can't fault them for wanting to do better, but some of what they try is pretty off the wall.

Nothing wrong with any of them as long as it works for them...Art

 

[recondigger]

If the shoe fits wear it

 

[Treasure finder]

ClonedSIM,
As i said before, if it was close enough for me to field dowse and dig up after map dowsing it, thenj I may or may not decide to work
on it. However with my own projects to work on, I won't spend any time on someone else's project that I am not interested in to
prove my hobby to that someone else. Pick your partners carefully, not someone you spend so much time trying to prove wrong.
I pick my partners carefully and not just someone who wants me to find him some loot so he can share it with me. I spend some time
on this forum so I can trade ideas with other DEDICATED dowsers.
Rich

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Rich...I also choose my partners carefully...He or she has to be someone whom I enjoy being around...There is a lot more about treasure hunting than just digging..The last few years I have had to depend on my sons a lot....they both have heavy work loads so it takes time for them to get up here....I spent time here also to exchange information about my hobby and help others when I can.,...Art

 

[Treasure finder]

Art, you are a joy to have on the forum. There is lots to learn from dowsing and it sure is fun to exchange info here.
You are darn right about partners, hard to choose good ones. I have lots of wannabe partners who want to go with
me in my vehicle to my spots with me paying for the gas and food and them calling the shots. Sometimes I borrow the
neighbors dog and that is the best partner so far. .
I have a friend that just bought a place near you and if I go up to visit him I will give you a shout. My work load in real
estate is pretty scattered, hard to know when I am available, but I will give a call if I am up there.
Rich