Is map dowsing a hoax?

[aarthrj3811]

~ConedSIM~
Art, you do realize that 10claw wasn't talking about an actual mudhole, right? He's making a rather crude reference that I'm truly surprised the mods haven't picked up on yet.

Was he?...We know what he was saying..I guess you have a few thousand posts to read....Art

 

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[aarthrj3811]

~ClonedSIM~
According to some of Art's older posts, dowsing will tell you the exact locations of items you're searching for,

Yes..If I follow my methods it always works

and Art said that he never digs trash in the locations where he digs.

That is true...of course the areas I hunt are seldom in areas where there has been a lot of human activity. There are millions of acres of public land that can be searched.. My advantage is that I am not limited to the first foot of the surface...I think many of these areas has never been fully explored

 

[ClonedSIM]

Was he?...We know what he was saying..I guess you have a few thousand posts to read....Art

10claw was, at best, making a double entendre based on the phrase "mudhole." Do a quick Google search for "mudhole Urban Dictionary." He knows exactly what he wrote...

 

[ClonedSIM]

Yes..If I follow my methods it always works

Exactly, and you've written that you never dig trash or dig a hole and come up empty. If you dowse for a particuar item, why would you not get the answer he was seeking? Someone else said to me that you can't search a photo for something that isn't there, specifically when I asked if someone could map dowse the water lines on my property from a photo that was taken before I installed the water lines. I was told no, that the item had to be at that location in order to be dowsed.

So, my point is, which is correct? One dowser tells you that he can dowse without digging trash, one tells you that he digs trash when he dowses. One tells you that map dowsing requires an item to be within the photo when it was taken in order to be found, and the another tells you that this isn't the case.

Let me ask you this. Would you feel comfortable eating in a restaurant if, when you walk in the door, you are stopped by the manager and told that the store was just shut down by the health department, but when you try to walk back out a waiter grabs you and sits you down with a menu?

 

[ClonedSIM]

GOD designed dowsing?? So it is a religion, a faith-based activity? Becasue that's pretty much exactly how you just described it....

Is anyone anxious to agree with coyote3?

 

[aarthrj3811]

~ClonedSIM



~ClonedSIM~

Exactly, and you've written that you never dig trash or dig a hole and come up empty.

That is correct

If you dowse for a particuar item, why would you not get the answer he was seeking?

What are you talking about?

Someone else said to me that you can't search a photo for something that isn't there,

If it was there at one time I can

specifically when I asked if someone could map dowse the water lines on my property from a photo that was taken before I installed the water lines. I was told no, that the item had to be at that location in order to be dowsed.

Reading 101

So, my point is, which is correct? One dowser tells you that he can dowse without digging trash, one tells you that he digs trash when he dowses.

It all depends on what you are trying to do

One tells you that map dowsing requires an item to be within the photo when it was taken in order to be found, and the another tells you that this isn't the case.

Every Dowser has his own methods

Let me ask you this. Would you feel comfortable eating in a restaurant if, when you walk in the door, you are stopped by the manager and told that the store was just shut down by the health department, but when you try to walk back out a waiter grabs you and sits you down with a menu?

That would be determined by how hungry I was and how far it was to the next restaurant...Art

 

[stevemc]

I have seen people map douse and it is just a bunch of crap, nothing, complete waste of everyones time. Maybe someone can, but I have not seen it work. And i have not seen long range locators work.

 

[Treasure finder]

I guess I wasn't clear enough Cloned,
She asked me to find where she lived and I assumed she lived in that house, but that isn't what she asked. She had lived
there until two months previously, and then moved after it was sold. It was my fault to frame the question wrong, that was
my point. The item searched for has to be asked properly. Many (or most) times that is where dowsing can get off course.
She had actually lived in that house. The question I should have asked was "Where is Miss B's current residence?" when
using my pendulum. The area I was searching was ALL of Los Angeles County and to locate the exact block in both instances
would be considered a positive result by most people. If you were looking for something in the county and I narrowed it down
to one block, would you consider it a help? Would you consider that a positive map dowsing experience?
So she actually lived in both places, one previously and one currently.
Hope that helps.
Rich

 

[ClonedSIM]

I guess I wasn't clear enough Cloned,
She asked me to find where she lived and I assumed she lived in that house, but that isn't what she asked. She had lived
there until two months previously, and then moved after it was sold. It was my fault to frame the question wrong, that was
my point. The item searched for has to be asked properly. Many (or most) times that is where dowsing can get off course.
She had actually lived in that house. The question I should have asked was "Where is Miss B's current residence?" when
using my pendulum. The area I was searching was ALL of Los Angeles County and to locate the exact block in both instances
would be considered a positive result by most people. If you were looking for something in the county and I narrowed it down
to one block, would you consider it a help? Would you consider that a positive map dowsing experience?
So she actually lived in both places, one previously and one currently.
Hope that helps.
Rich

That does help, actually, thank you very much. I really like the way you explain your posts, you make them very easy to understand.

 

[ClonedSIM]

~ClonedSIM



~ClonedSIM~

That is correct

What are you talking about?

If it was there at one time I can

Reading 101


It all depends on what you are trying to do

Every Dowser has his own methods


That would be determined by how hungry I was and how far it was to the next restaurant...Art

Sorry, Art, ignore that line you didn't understand, that was poor editing on my part.

But, since you mentioned it, how about this?

Treasure Finder, please take a look too, this might interest you.

What if I posted a very recent overhead shot of my land, but narrowed down to about 2 acres? In this two acres, I have an active 4 inch water line that begins at the edge of the property and extends to the house, the main electric underground line to my house, the sewer line running from my house to the septic tank and then the leach field beyond that, and a water line that runs from my property to the neighbors land that was active and in use for about two years prior to this picture, but that has since been disconnected. A couple of them are slightly visible in the photo, due to disturbed ground, but one of them is not visible at all. Could anyone find all four, or at least attempt to?

This seems to fit your description of map dowsing to a T, Art.

And I'd be happy to give a map of all of the lines marked to a disinterested third party who can reveal what I gave him/her after everyone has had a shot at it.

 

[aarthrj3811]

I know a simple way for you learn...Make a set of dowsing...go out and check the utilizes for yourself...You will either be able follow the lines or not...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

I know a simple way for you learn...Make a set of dowsing...go out and check the utilizes for yourself...You will either be able follow the lines or not...Art

If you don't want to try it, just say so, Art. I'm asking if anyone wants to map dowse the area. Besides, what good would it do for me to go out and "find" water lines that I installed by hand less that 4 years ago? If i did that, would it prove that dowsing works for me? I can't see how.

And trust me, I remember every one of the 14 hours I spent on that ditch-witch over those three days, I know exactly where the lines are.

 

[Bigdogdad]

I remember a time when a doubter was making fun of my treasure and others map dowsing claims. I myself am not a map dowser. He took one of the treasure sites and "randomly", according to him, dowsed the photo. He was doing this as a joke. The funny part was that he marked the EXACT same two places that others had map dowsed and others had dowsed on site. What he didn't not realize is that the rods or pendulums work thru your subconcious and he may have actually done some accurate true map dowsing without realizing it.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~Bigdogdad~
What he didn't not realize is that the rods or pendulums work thru your subconcious and he may have actually done some accurate true map dowsing without realizing it.

Yes we have heard that rumor before that comes from a definition printed in 1852...Art

 

[aarthrj3811]

~ClonedSIM~
If you don't want to try it, just say so, Art. I'm asking if anyone wants to map dowse the area. Besides, what good would it do for me to go out and "find" water lines that I installed by hand less that 4 years ago? If i did that, would it prove that dowsing works for me? I can't see how.

And trust me, I remember every one of the 14 hours I spent on that ditch-witch over those three days, I know exactly where the lines are.

Gee..You may learn something...Is there something wrong with practicing on know targets?..Art

 

[Groves]

Gee..You may learn something...Is there something wrong with practicing on know targets?..Art

What exactly is a "know" target?

 

[tvanwho]

Map dowsing works for gold mineral/lost pets, stinks on caches, etc..,my 2 cents..

Just my experience doing map dowsing. Almost recovered a Civil War era cache years back from a map dowsing hit plus Electroscope hit, but still kicking myself 20 years later for NOT asking my partner about the 2 rows of 5 gallon bucket lid size circular depressions in the grass in the woods I saw outta the corner of my eye that day as we walked out of the woods. Been back several times, never any depressions visible and no detector signals either.
Done better map dowsing for gold placer deposits altho have had many failures too.Seems to work better on certain creeks vs others, dunno why? Even known formerly rich gold streams out west, I get almost no gold response on with my pendulum which doesn't seem to make sense but have map dowsed gold bearing streams for other people which some were confirmed.
Am currently using brass pendulums with see thru plastic witness chamber with a small gold nugget inside and pointers made of lapis since blue seems to attract gold and red repels the gold attraction.

-Tom V.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Gee..You may learn something...Is there something wrong with practicing on know targets?..Art

In my experience, there is. When metal detecting known targets with my detector, I typically get perfect responses each time, both to the type of target and the depth, which is exactly what I expect to find. This is actually the reason I've never put any stock into someone that told me they buried a target in their yard and then, SURPRISE, found it by dowsing! However, I've found that in the field, looking for lost/buried older targets, the responses are never quite alike due to a number of different reasons. I've had situations where, in certain areas, a older copper cent will sound exactly lke a clad cent, but a similar target only 4 or 5 feet away will sound pitch and ID perfect.

I practice by doing, and then learning and adjusting from my mistakes. This is exactly what you've said more than once, try it and then make adjustments and try it again. If i get any kind of reaction at all from my water lines, I have no way of knowing if that reaction was natural, or caused by me knowing that my target is below my feet, and then wanting a response to the point that I cause it myself.

At any rate, my options are pretty limited. If I go out and try dowsing, (which i told you I have done before without success, despite the fact that the people I was dowsing with were firm believers and had been dowsing for many years) either the rods will move, or they won't. That's not really what I'm trying to determine, however. I'd like to have a map dowser take a look at my land to see if there are any unknown targets. Then I can test my rods on those areas, see what kind of respose i get, then go back over it with my detector to see if anything turns up before digging.

Again, if you won't want to try it, then just step aside and let others try.

 

[Treasure finder]

Hi Cloned,
I get requests from people all the time to dowse something to prove to them that it works and I usually won't do it.
Why?
1. It takes time, I am currently about to leave to look at some real estate listings. I am a realtor and mortgage broker.
2. I won't quit my job for some time spent to prove my own hobby.
3. There will be many taking me to task for what I did or didn't find.
4. I have my own things to dowse.
5. I don't see dowsers gettting paid for their successful dowsing unless it is water dowsing, no promises to pay are
kept by the requester.
6. You have enough info to get started, prove it to yourself or give up.
7. As I mentioned earlier, most requests don't have accurate info and it just misleads the dowser.
8. It takes a lot of time to do accurate work.
Good luck
Rich

 

[ClonedSIM]

Just my experience doing map dowsing. Almost recovered a Civil War era cache years back from a map dowsing hit plus Electroscope hit, but still kicking myself 20 years later for NOT asking my partner about the 2 rows of 5 gallon bucket lid size circular depressions in the grass in the woods I saw outta the corner of my eye that day as we walked out of the woods. Been back several times, never any depressions visible and no detector signals either.
Done better map dowsing for gold placer deposits altho have had many failures too.Seems to work better on certain creeks vs others, dunno why? Even known formerly rich gold streams out west, I get almost no gold response on with my pendulum which doesn't seem to make sense but have map dowsed gold bearing streams for other people which some were confirmed.
Am currently using brass pendulums with see thru plastic witness chamber with a small gold nugget inside and pointers made of lapis since blue seems to attract gold and red repels the gold attraction.

-Tom V.

Soooo, you basically found a VERY specific target with an LRL and map dowsing, but then didn't even bother to check it out when you were already in the area hunting for treasure, so close you could physically see the area of the target?

Guess what?!? I was at the park last month with my detector, and found an old Mason jar filled with Morgans and Double Eagles, hundreds of them!! But, the ground was really hard to dig, so I left them there. I want to go back last weekend after we had gotten some moisture, but I can't find them again.

But that proves I'm one of the greatest metal detectorists of all time!