✅ SOLVED Is this a flowing hair?

[Old Dude]

Hi all. Just got home and haven't cleaned it much. Only Qtip and cold HP so far. Can anyone identify it from the little detail so far? Thanks!

 

[coachbedford]

Assuming that is copper, that is a draped bust large cent of 1796 to 1807

 

[ModernMiner]

Way to go Dave!!!!
That looks prettier than Q and Dman together.
-DUHg-

 

[cudamark]

Looks more like a Liberty Cap to me.

 

[grasshopper]

I would agree on the draped bust ID...mainly based the little tuft of hair on the left side of the bust

 

[Old Dude]

I have to agree it looks like a Draped Bust. It appears to be ribbons on the left side to me. The coin is very worn and has very little detail. This is the story of all my big coppers unfortunately. I welcome all comments and observations. Thanks to all who have posted.

 

[Old Dude]

This is a pic after my final cleaning. The ribbon is a little more evident now. Thanks all!

 

[cudamark]

The section from the base of the neck to the end of the bust line and around the corner looks closer the Liberty Cap than the Draped Bust. The Liberty Cap has almost a straight line whereas the Draped Bust has a bulge

 

[shawninNY]

I'm wit cuda, liberty cap! Edge of bust is rounder on draped var.

 

[Old Dude]

Mark, I hope you're right, lol, since it would be an older coin then ( unless it was a 1796 ). The area at the left just looks so much more like a ribbon than the cap. Thanks again for your post.

 

[Old Dude]

I just weighed the coin. It is 9.3 grams. A Liberty Cap weighs 13.48 grams. The Draped Bust weighs 10.89 grams. I doubt it has lost 25% of it's weight, which would indicate a Draped Bust. Agreed? The diameter is 28.53mm. Both the Liberty Cap and the Draped Bust were 29 mm.

 

[shawninNY]

Schooled by the old dude!

 

[Old Dude]

Wait! I may be wrong. There were 2 varieties of the Liberty Cap. I am sorry. The THICK planchet weighed 13.48 and were minted 1793-1795. There was a thinner variety minted 1795-1796 which weighed 10.89 grams! I am very sorry for that oversight. The possibility it may be a Liberty Cap is still alive. Thanks Mark and Shawn!

 

[shawninNY]

C'mon Man!

 

[doninbrewster]

My opinion......NO WAY liberty cap. It's easy to see the ribbon for the hair, not the cap. It certainly appears to me that there is an 8 in the date. No way liberty cap.

 

[Old Dude]

My opinion......NO WAY liberty cap. It's easy to see the ribbon for the hair, not the cap. It certainly appears to me that there is an 8 in the date. No way liberty cap.

Thank you. To me it looks like there is a ribbon and not the cap as well. I know Cudamark has been at this longer than I have, so I didn't want to disagree too much, lol.

 

[cudamark]

After looking at your final photo,

 

[cudamark]

After looking at your final photo, I think it's an early Draped Bust. Look closely at the date. What you think is an 8 is really a 9. Look at the digit left of that. It looks like a 7. A 1 would be left of that but hardly visible. If you look at a good example of an early cent, the first digit of the date is under the hair and the second digit is under the left edge of the shoulder. With that orientation, there's no way it can be an 1800 coin as the "8" is too far to the right. In that spot, it should be the third digit....in this case it would have to be a 9. I agree that it looks more like a ribbon instead of a cap. The bust line still looks more like the Liberty Cap however! With the kind of environmental damage it has, you can see all kinds of things.

 

[Old Dude]

Aaaah good! We are all in agreement then. I can mark the thread solved. Thanks all for our discussion.


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