J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

[tinpan]

J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

hi all found this tonite after work.where was this buckle made?

tinpan

 

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[johnnyi]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

Tinpan, this is just a guess, but I'd say it was made in Ohio.

In 1856 David Pierson Holloway from Waynesville Ohio was commissioner of Patents. There was also a famous inventor from the same period of time who was also from Ohio (Uniontown) named Joseph Flavious Holloway. He was also president of Cuyahoga Steam Furnace Works during this time period. As David's history doesn't suggest he was an inventor himself, I'd guess that this was a collaboration between relatives, one who had the inside track, and the other who did the inventing.

 

[IronSpike]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

Is the buckle type considered 'knapsack buckle'? Could it be related to Holloway firearms company?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

I dont think its an American patent. REGISTERED 25 AUGUST 1856.

Australia?

 

[johnnyi]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

Bigcypress, was a dated "registered" never used in place of the dated patent number on small objects of this pariod in the U.S.? I haven't been able to find much info on this?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

Bigcypress, was a dated "registered" never used in place of the dated patent number on small objects of this pariod in the U.S.? I haven't been able to find much info on this?

My reasoning is that tinpan, I believe, is from Australia. Also the day is before the month. Im not sure of the registered.


Is there something broken?

 

[tinpan]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

Bigcypress, was a dated "registered" never used in place of the dated patent number on small objects of this pariod in the U.S.? I haven't been able to find much info on this?

My reasoning is that tinpan, I believe, is from Australia. Also the day is before the month. Im not sure of the registered.


Is there something broken?

thanks for your input,Yes the buckle was found in southern australia but that has no reflection on where the buckle may have been made.I can,t find any info down here. thats why i posted the item.So clearly by the name in these pics this place should be in California. This the general area i found the buckle.

tinpan

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

I believe all American patents are month then day but Ill search. We generally say August 25.

Do you generally write your day before the month in Australia? I think the answer is yes.

 

[tinpan]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

I believe all American patents are month then day but Ill search. We generally say August 25.

Do you generally write your day before the month in Australia? I think the answer is yes.

do you now? lol based on the flag of the USA in 1856 there was no guide lines so there was quite a few different ones. 31 stars they all had.. this could apply to number of differences like registrations too?

tinpan

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

I believe all American patents are month then day but Ill search. We generally say August 25.

Do you generally write your day before the month in Australia? I think the answer is yes.

do you now? lol based on the flag of the USA in 1856 there was no guide lines so there was quite a few different ones. 31 stars they all had.. this could apply to number of differences like registrations too?

tinpan

LOL Im asking how do you write your dates? Day or Month first?

In America we write the month first. I think in Australia you write the day first, such as on your buckle. I dont know what this had to do with flags.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

I do not believe this is an American patent. I searched anyway and this was all that came up using "buckle" as a key word for that date. http://www.google.com/patents?id=aS...gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false



Nothing came up when I used the word "registered" with that date.

Besides USA and Australia, what other country could this have come from?

 

[trikikiwi]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

I do not believe this is an American patent. I searched anyway and this was all that came up using "buckle" as a key word for that date. http://www.google.com/patents?id=aS...gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q=&f=false



Nothing came up when I used the word "registered" with that date.

Besides USA and Australia, what other country could this have come from?

Easier to answer with which countries use mm/dd/yyyy format.
Belize
Canada
Federated States of Micronesia
Kenya
Palau
Philippines
Puerto Rico
United States
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090614141908AAJvhbH

I'm picking it's harness related. But that's a WAG.
It appears there used to be a central fitting lengthwise in the rectangular part.
Mike

 

[chipveres]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

Gentlemen:

Please take a look at this link (suggesting Birmingham, England) and see if it's helpful.

forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/showthread.php?p=239949


Chip V.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

Gentlemen:

Please take a look at this link (suggesting Birmingham, England) and see if it's helpful.

forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/showthread.php?p=239949


Chip V.

http://forum.birminghamhistory.co.uk/showthread.php?p=239949

Maybe because I think UK uses the word registered.

 

[tinpan]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

hi all, the flags was a simple example of 19th century variants.sorry bad example.date variants did exist in 19 century usa.County records of deeds,graves,Legal documents that relate to exact day time frames like writ of execution.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gamadiso/madisonspring.htm#deeds [ pic of grave at this site too]

All Canadian government documents use day/month/year also.

People are creatures of habit so new immgrates to the USA in 19th century would have still written the date on letters the existing way from their point of origin.

tinpan

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

hi all, the flags was a simple example of 19th century variants.sorry bad example.date variants did exist in 19 century usa.County records of deeds,graves,Legal documents that relate to exact day time frames like writ of execution.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gamadiso/madisonspring.htm#deeds [ pic of grave at this site too]

All Canadian government documents use day/month/year also.

People are creatures of habit so new immgrates to the USA in 19th century would have still written the date on letters the existing way from their point of origin.

tinpan

OK Yes I have seen old dates written that way in America.

Like I say in reply # 10, I searched the American patents, couldnt find it and they are written month/day/year in 1856 and do not use the word registered.

I will try to search Canadian and UK registered patents.

 

[johnnyi]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

Big cy, remember this is not a strict written patent. It is a manufacturer's imprint that the patent is registered. these may very well vary in the way they're constructed.

 

[tinpan]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

hi all, the flags was a simple example of 19th century variants.sorry bad example.date variants did exist in 19 century usa.County records of deeds,graves,Legal documents that relate to exact day time frames like writ of execution.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gamadiso/madisonspring.htm#deeds [ pic of grave at this site too]

All Canadian government documents use day/month/year also.

People are creatures of habit so new immgrates to the USA in 19th century would have still written the date on letters the existing way from their point of origin.




tinpan

OK Yes I have seen old dates written that way in America.

Like I say in reply # 10, I searched the American patents, couldnt find it and they are written month/day/year in 1856 and do not use the word registered.

I will try to search Canadian and UK registered patents.

I tried this end too find info and got nothing, so late afternoon i went back to the site where i found the item and went threw hundreds of shards of pottery and glass. Which dated from 1851 to 1890's from 9 different countries.That just added more confusion just like the whole gold rush of that time.

tinpan

 

[tinpan]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

I don,t know if this other stud backed button, pin or rosette found near the buckle is any help

tinpan

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: J & D Holloway Buckle 1856 ?

Big cy, remember this is not a strict written patent. It is a manufacturer's imprint that the patent is registered. these may very well vary in the way they're constructed.

I used the key word "registered" with "aug 25, 1856" on a Google patent search and got zero hits.

If its American, I cant find any record of it or any patent with the word "registered" in the text on this date.

He found relics from 9 different countries at the site.