Jackie Chan...Unbelievable..Too much?

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Jackie Chan's Jab at Freedom

Jackie Chan believes that the Chinese people need to be controlled! He's beffudled about democracy. He doesn't know about freedom.

Speaking at the Boao Forum in southern China, Chan said this: "I'm not sure if it is good to have freedom or not. I'm really confused now. If you are too free, you are like the way Hong Kong is now. It's very chaotic. Taiwan is also chaotic."

And this: "I'm gradually beginning to feel that we Chinese need to be controlled. If we are not being controlled, we'll just do what we want."

The Chinese audience loved it.

Now. there are a lot of reactions you could have to this. There's the "Jackie Chan is self-hating Chinese" reaction. This erudite post sums that up. There's the cynical take. Chan's latest movie, Shinjuku, is not being distributed in China because it's too violent so maybe he's kowtowing to China's censors. (His next project is a comedy, directed by a mainlander.)

My reaction, however, is this: Chan is just saying what a lot of other rich Chinese feel. In the 20 years since Tiananmen, Chinese society has changed enormously. One of the most astounding ways has been in the return of a class society and in the disdain with which China's rich view China's poor. When Chan was saying Chinese need to be "controlled," to be sure, he was speaking about the poor. He didn't have to say it, But that's what the audience at Boao heard and that's why they cheered him on. Anyone who has conversations of depth with members of China's elite has heard this argument before. "The quality of the average Chinese is too low," the line goes. (Zhongguoren de suzhi tai di le.) "So of course we can't have full freedom."

Of course, the elite have become increasingly free. But they also increasingly rely on the instruments of state to maintain those freedoms and to maintain their advantages over China's hoi polloi. Chan is happy, no doubt, that Communism is dead, but he likes the fact that the Communist Party is safeguarding the interests of the well-heeled.

Posted by John Pomfret on April 20, 2009 10:09 AM


Well I think I'm befuddled too!
 

Jackie Chan has his nose so far up the ass of the CCP its sickening. He is trying to be Mr. China. I used to be a fan of Jacki Chan... now he is just too old and too political.

rmptr said:
Jackie Chan's Jab at Freedom

Jackie Chan believes that the Chinese people need to be controlled! He's beffudled about democracy. He doesn't know about freedom.

Speaking at the Boao Forum in southern China, Chan said this: "I'm not sure if it is good to have freedom or not. I'm really confused now. If you are too free, you are like the way Hong Kong is now. It's very chaotic. Taiwan is also chaotic."

And this: "I'm gradually beginning to feel that we Chinese need to be controlled. If we are not being controlled, we'll just do what we want."

The Chinese audience loved it.

Now. there are a lot of reactions you could have to this. There's the "Jackie Chan is self-hating Chinese" reaction. This erudite post sums that up. There's the cynical take. Chan's latest movie, Shinjuku, is not being distributed in China because it's too violent so maybe he's kowtowing to China's censors. (His next project is a comedy, directed by a mainlander.)

My reaction, however, is this: Chan is just saying what a lot of other rich Chinese feel. In the 20 years since Tiananmen, Chinese society has changed enormously. One of the most astounding ways has been in the return of a class society and in the disdain with which China's rich view China's poor. When Chan was saying Chinese need to be "controlled," to be sure, he was speaking about the poor. He didn't have to say it, But that's what the audience at Boao heard and that's why they cheered him on. Anyone who has conversations of depth with members of China's elite has heard this argument before. "The quality of the average Chinese is too low," the line goes. (Zhongguoren de suzhi tai di le.) "So of course we can't have full freedom."

Of course, the elite have become increasingly free. But they also increasingly rely on the instruments of state to maintain those freedoms and to maintain their advantages over China's hoi polloi. Chan is happy, no doubt, that Communism is dead, but he likes the fact that the Communist Party is safeguarding the interests of the well-heeled.

Posted by John Pomfret on April 20, 2009 10:09 AM


Well I think I'm befuddled too!
 

Did anyone really believe that Jackie would take a stance opposite of the ruling class. Being one of China richest as well as most public faces for the Chinese regime comes with certain required views. He still has family in China and is still a Chinese citizen. To speak too openly about any affinity he may feel for the plight of the average Chinese citizen, not only could, but would have dire consequences for himself and those other family members. For all the changes in China the ruling elite still hold sway with almost every entrepreneur and millionaire industrialist in this manner.
 

I guess CYA must be a real thing in China, then... if you wanna keep what you got via capitalism.
That would probably explain it.

WoW! What a great pic of Howard!
(I guess that would be Mr. Hughes, to the likes of me.)
 

I am sure Jackie Chan with his money does not to worry about the the secret police police kicking down his door but that poor shmoe who just happens to voices a complaint about China won't have any freedom while they apply a car battery to his gentilia. Jackie Chan you are a hypocrite and I will never see any movies with you in it ever again.
 

Watch what ever you want I'm sure Jackie Chan with all the money he's got doesn't worry if anybody watches any of his movies ever again. But it's not the battery connected to his testicles that he's worried about. If you reread my post you'll see it is the guns that's aimed at all of his relatives which concern him.
 

jackies one of the "haves" in china -- classlical "communism" might be dead but it left a "ellite" ruling class behind --the "haves" --now rule the have nots --

just as the rich "haves" in america" --run things to their liking , via control of the press and politicans they have greased up.

since when have the haves gave a crap about the have nots? except when their roiting --"no bread ? well let them have cake instead"
 

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