jacob waltz jack swilling and others signiture on old letter to az territory govener

[DanB]

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more to come.......

 

[DanB]

Soon I will have these transcribed....in formal letter format....in these letters they ask for help dealing with Indians near black canyon city az.....db

 

[DanB]

Here's a close up of the signature lists from the petition...... Jacob waltz the lost dutchman...is on here..... as soon as I can finish transcribing the writing in the letters I will post it for all to read.....db

 

[DanB]

 

[roadrunner]

great info. Would love to read them.
Dont remember where,but there where a fe wpeople i believe from the pioneer diaries of Waltz coming donw cental, or center ave from the North with his mule or mules, or horses.

 

[TEGlover]

The letter is actually a petition to the governor for prtection from Indians. It is one of two Waltz is known to have signed. As I recall, this is the first one and has no date, but based on the second petition it likely dates to circa late 1863. It is in my first book. It will be good to see a more legible petition ... Sometimes the old handwriting is a bit challenging.

Thomas

 

[DanB]

Here is the kicker the writing matches his signature on other documents that are posted for all to see. ...kirkland is also on there......goodwin was in office for 1 year.....easy to id the year......

 

[DanB]

I believe jacob was his gold out of the Valencia mine...... one of the few lines that actually have popcorn gold...... based on what other people talk about on the shear zone where the material would come from that mine matches..... the state has a lot of information on it that they grouped into other files to bury...... somebody does not want to rewrite history...... the Valencia mine can no longer be operated because it lies within the eavesmount of the ADOT I 17 and the gas pipeline....... state blocked access making it hard to prove it's actually it but the state Knows.......

 

[DanB]

From the Valencia mine there is easy access to the Peralta trail it's within 2 days....... follow Table Mesa Road East pass carefree drop into the Verde River cross Fort McDowell back over Fish Creek and into the superstition...... there's also a string of Indian ruins that follow the same path each one a days walk from water

 

[Old]

Here's a transcript of what I can see of the letter. I could guess at portions of what is cut off but left it blank. There are a few words I couldn't make out. Perhaps others will be able to decipher them.

Lynda

To his Excellency John N Goodwin, Governor of Arizona
We the undersigned Citizens of Randolph District would respectfully submit the following statement to your consideration and would ask that if deemed advisable, you take immediately such steps in the premises as will render us some protection from the Indians who surround us.

The District which we occupy comprises that portion of the Haciamp Creek between the rise of said creek and the Long Canon a distance of Eleven (11) miles and in all of said distance there is abundance of water for sluicing purposes during the entire year with a good supply of timber (end page 1) …(start page 2) skirting the banks of the stream and a _____________ growth of grass over the ext________ valley and surrounding foot hills. There have recently been very rich deposits of gold discovered _______ almost all the bars of said creek ----------and extensive preparations are ____________ being made to carry on active ___________pporations, besides many claims which are opened, and paying largely. We are in an isolated District being twenty miles from Indian Gulch the nearest point which we can obtain supplies. We are compelled to keep the animals necessary to pack into the District ____ such supplies. This District combines probably more advan____________any other portion of the Ter(ritory?) and will be one of the last point(s) abandoned as the mines are R____________and the facilities for working them. (end page 2)
(Start page 3) Yet within the last three days the Indians have made such hostile demonstrations and so many miners are leaving the adjacent Districts that we have some cause of apprehension for the safety of ____________ and the small remnant of stock left. Within the last ten days the Indians have visited and robbed every camp on the Creek and last night appeared in sufficient force to make a formidable attack. We are unable to procure for money arms and ammunition adequate to defend ____________ and we would ask that you station a small force of troops in our vicinity or issue us a sufficient quantity of arms and ammunition to enable us to protect ourselves and your Petitioners, as in duty bound, will ever pray and C___________

(followed by signatures)

 

[nobodie]

Does anyone know if they got the help that they asked for? I think I read somewhere that they didn't.

 

[Terry Soloman]

When I was a little boy, I would ride the old Swilling trail that leads from (now) the north end of Lake Pleasant, up into the Bradshaws along Cow Creek up to the Crown King trail. The old timers up there back in the 1960s, used to tell stories of finding highgrading caches of ore just off the trail, taken from various gold mines.

 

[cw0909]

Here is the kicker the writing matches his signature on other documents that are posted for all to see. ...kirkland is also on there......goodwin was in office for 1 year.....easy to id the year......

i was looking at the signature you posted with some of the signatures
on the docs posted on pgs 7-8-9, over on the olber thread.
your posted doc with JW signature, doesnt look like the signatures on those
docs in that thread, if i can get some time an access to other immigration and
naturalization records with other Jacob Waltz signatures, id like to compare
and see if i can find a match to your posted signature of JW. or has this
already been done and i shouldnt waste time on it

pg 7-8-9
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/l...28-olber-manifest-other-fables-fantasy-7.html

 

[Clay Diggins]

i was looking at the signature you posted with some of the signatures
on the docs posted on pgs 7-8-9, over on the olber thread.
your posted doc with JW signature, doesnt look like the signatures on those
docs in that thread, if i can get some time an access to other immigration and
naturalization records with other Jacob Waltz signatures, id like to compare
and see if i can find a match to your posted signature of JW. or has this
already been done and i shouldnt waste time on it

pg 7-8-9
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/l...28-olber-manifest-other-fables-fantasy-7.html

Jacob's signature has an X to the left of it. This was common then and even now when a person is incapable of signing their name to simply make a mark (usually an X) and have someone else write in their name. This is where the expression "make your mark" came from.

Even today when an individual, either through illness, disability or an inability to write this is common practice. A witnessed X is enough to satisfy the requirement for a signature on legal documents.

https://www.nationalnotary.org/notary-bulletin/blog/2018/06/notary-tip-handle-signature-by-mark

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

Jacob's signature has an X to the left of it. This was common then and even now when a person is incapable of signing their name to simply make a mark (usually an X) and have someone else write in their name. This is where the expression "make your mark" came from.

Even today when an individual, either through illness, disability or an inability to write this is common practice. A witnessed X is enough to satisfy the requirement for a signature on legal documents.

https://www.nationalnotary.org/notary-bulletin/blog/2018/06/notary-tip-handle-signature-by-mark

The "X" was put there to bring you to the attention of Jacob Waltz signature on the document. Waltz did not need an "X" for he was very capable of writing his signature. There are about 10 examples of his signature on documents. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

 

[Matthew Roberts]

The "X" was put there to bring you to the attention of Jacob Waltz signature on the document. Waltz did not need an "X" for he was very capable of writing his signature. There are about 10 examples of his signature on documents. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

I thought the same thing Greg as the original at the Sharlot Hall archives in Prescott does not have the X.