Kayhatin Canyon

[Gregory E. Davis]

Hello Gentlemen: I recently reread Barry Storms first book, "Trail of the Lost Dutchman." In Chapter 7, "Unlucky Men" page 69, Storm talk about two French-Canadian Adventures who entered the Superstition Mountains. "They forded the Salt River near Mormon Flat and entered the mountains between Kayhatin and LaBarge Creeks." Do any of you know where Kayhatin Creek is located or what name does it go by today? Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

 

[Matthew Roberts]

Hello Gentlemen: I recently reread Barry Storms first book, "Trail of the Lost Dutchman." In Chapter 7, "Unlucky Men" page 69, Storm talk about two French-Canadian Adventures who entered the Superstition Mountains. "They forded the Salt River near Mormon Flat and entered the mountains between Kayhatin and LaBarge Creeks." Do any of you know where Kayhatin Creek is located or what name does it go by today? Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

Kayhatin is an Apache word and name of two different clans of the Apache, one being Pinal Apache clan the other Coyotero Apache clan.
The word means willows or place of willows.

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

Kayhatin is an Apache word and name of two different clans of the Apache, one being Pinal Apache clan the other Coyotero Apache clan.
The word means willows or place of willows.

Good morning Matthew. Could he be referring to what we call Tortilla Canyon today?

 

[Matthew Roberts]

Good morning Matthew. Could he be referring to what we call Tortilla Canyon today?

Tortilla canyon, Peters canyon would both be possibilities. Willows were much more plentiful in the Superstitions in years past.
Some of the Apache who died in the Skull Cave massacre were Kayhatin clan of the Coyotero Tonto Apache.
If you crossed the Salt River at Mormon Flat. coming from the Skull cave you would have been where Tortilla creek met the Salt River.

 

[deducer]

Could Kayhatin refer to Willow Spring Creek? If so, their entering the mountains between Willow Spring Creek and Labarge would most likely have taken them up First Water.

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

Good morning Gentlemen. I have another question which was mentioned by Barry Storm on the same page 69 of the chapter "Unlucky Men." I will quote the passage. "entered West Boulder Canyon about a quarter of a mile above its junction with East Boulder Canyon. Now located near here is the log corral built by the Quarter Circle U cowboys" I assume he is talking about the old Brush Corral? Do any of you remember the Brush Corral being referred to as the Log Corral? Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

 

[Matthew Roberts]

 

[393stroker]

Hello Gentlemen: I recently reread Barry Storms first book, "Trail of the Lost Dutchman." In Chapter 7, "Unlucky Men" page 69, Storm talk about two French-Canadian Adventures who entered the Superstition Mountains. "They forded the Salt River near Mormon Flat and entered the mountains between Kayhatin and LaBarge Creeks." Do any of you know where Kayhatin Creek is located or what name does it go by today? Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

I looked it up and translated means willow in Apache

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

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Matthew. Is this the site of the old Brush Corral or a different location? cordially, Gregory E. Davis

 

[AncientofSouls]

I've been working with the Tucson Artifact map system, and applied the same principles to the Trail Maps and the Latin Heart.

This is simply an experimental "plotting" of the two trail maps. (Up in the corner you can see where I've plotted the Latin Heart too. I used that plot to anchor the two trail maps.)

Anyway, I have not read the book you mention, or any other hiking maps as of yet. The only hiking I've done so far has been on FR80 and in Barranca Creek, and one little section of Coronado Mesa. So, I guess you could say I don't have any confirmation bias built in?

Don't be afraid to tell me it's all baloney. I'm not trying to prove anything, and am not married to this particular layout. (I personally believe the two trail maps were copied from images showing another part of the world.)

 

[markmar]

I've been working with the Tucson Artifact map system, and applied the same principles to the Trail Maps and the Latin Heart.

This is simply an experimental "plotting" of the two trail maps. (Up in the corner you can see where I've plotted the Latin Heart too. I used that plot to anchor the two trail maps.)

Anyway, I have not read the book you mention, or any other hiking maps as of yet. The only hiking I've done so far has been on FR80 and in Barranca Creek, and one little section of Coronado Mesa. So, I guess you could say I don't have any confirmation bias built in?

Don't be afraid to tell me it's all baloney. I'm not trying to prove anything, and am not married to this particular layout. (I personally believe the two trail maps were copied from images showing another part of the world.)


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I will write only my opinion based in my own experience on treasure maps.
The Tucson artifacts doesn't resemble any map on them. They have some written clues on them which prompt to some kind of tresure ( gold ), but doesn't clarify the region where that treasure is located. Also the carvings on one artifact describe a spiritual treasure, the Arc of Covenant.
Now, the Trail map carved on stone, is a Jesuit treasure map which shows a specific trail which leads to one of the three hidden Church's treasure caches. That spot is one of few ancient gold mines in the region.
Technically you are right , because the Tucson artifacts and the stone Trail map, are for the same region ( what a coincidence ), but they are two different documents made for two different purposes.
And, what seems nobody to be aware, the stone trail map has a Spanish treasure symbol on it which prompts to be read in a mirrored mode. The same should be applied for the Horse stone map and the Priest stone map. The Latin stone heart and the stone Crosses maps should be read as you see them, without been mirrored. So, if someone want to has a chance to find something described on the stone maps, has to follow my statements.

 

[AncientofSouls]

Thanks for sharing your time for a reply.

As I mentioned, I am nowhere NEAR qualified to take part in an LDM discussion. Especially not one about maps. And more especially, maps I can neither defend or discredit, cuz I really don't know enough.

That being said,
I closely followed the clues and instructions provided by Klondike and a few others, not all of them dropped here.

Here is where I stray from the LDM narrative: I was NOT using the mapping system to find a goldmine...or even gold, for that matter.

Since this is a forum for gold and treasure related the LDM legend, I suppose the use of artifacts to locate other...things...should be shared

in a different format/forum? Maybe a historian?

Or...a religious scholar who knows about "Those of the Way"?

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

Thanks for sharing your time for a reply.

As I mentioned, I am nowhere NEAR qualified to take part in an LDM discussion. Especially not one about maps. And more especially, maps I can neither defend or discredit, cuz I really don't know enough.

That being said,
I closely followed the clues and instructions provided by Klondike and a few others, not all of them dropped here.

Here is where I stray from the LDM narrative: I was NOT using the mapping system to find a goldmine...or even gold, for that matter.

Since this is a forum for gold and treasure related the LDM legend, I suppose the use of artifacts to locate other...things...should be shared

in a different format/forum? Maybe a historian?

Or...a religious scholar who knows about "Those of the Way"?

AncientofSouls. Sir. How does this apply with this post about "Kayhatin Canyon" It really has no connection so please put your post into another Thread. Thank you. Gregory E. Davis

 

[Matthew Roberts]

It is my guess Kayhatin Canyon must be present day First Water Canyon / Creek.
If the men entered the Superstitions between Kayhatin and LaBarge and headed for Boulder Canyon they would have entered just west of LaBarge and went south along west side of LaBarge to Boulder Canyon and the Log Corral.
The Log Corral they refer to could not have been the Brush Corral because they place it too far north and east of the Brush Corral.

 

[Gregory E. Davis]

It is my guess Kayhatin Canyon must be present day First Water Canyon / Creek.
If the men entered the Superstitions between Kayhatin and LaBarge and headed for Boulder Canyon they would have entered just west of LaBarge and went south along west side of LaBarge to Boulder Canyon and the Log Corral.
The Log Corral they refer to could not have been the Brush Corral because they place it too far north and east of the Brush Corral.

Thank you Matthew for this post. It answer the question of what Storm was trying to convey to the reader. Good analysis for the question of the corral being the Log Corral and not the Brush Corral. Cordially, Gregory E. Davis