maybe soon you can only use Marsh Mellows for Bullets in California ?

[kuger]

also.....how many native song birds has that cat in your avatar killed....for sport?Careful.....loaded question!!!

 

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[squiggy]

also.....how many native song birds has that cat in your avatar killed....for sport?Careful.....loaded question!!!

Actually my friend..NONE! Because I have a large cat enclosure both wooden with perch areas that goes out to a large open area with deer fencing.. The cat along with his brother have a tunnel which goes from there into the house..Another ASSUMPTION on your part...

 

[squiggy]

.....and how much money have you kicked in for the enforcement of Hunting Laws?How much money have you kicked in for habitat rehab.How many water springs have you rehabed in Desert enviro's for the wildlife?How many endangered species have you protected from non native predators?All of these things are done by people who hunt for sport.What is a better option?Your Tax dollar paying me to do it?Thats what happens!Please.....educate me on a species of animal that is successfully trans located in the State of Calif.

For a starter Fox, raccoon, squirrel opossum, bobcat. ..
I do a soft release when possible..

 

[kuger]

Actually my friend..NONE! Because I have a large cat enclosure both wooden with perch areas that goes out to a large open area with deer fencing.. The cat along with his brother have a tunnel which goes from there into the house..Another ASSUMPTION on your part...

Why the "assumption",no need for hostility!I simply asked you a question which you answered........thank you for your responsible cat ownership as well!!!I applaud you!!!

 

[squiggy]

Why the "assumption",no need for hostility!I simply asked you a question which you answered........thank you for your responsible cat ownership as well!!!I applaud you!!!

Well might want to re read your post..When someone confronts saying ...how many birds has my cat killed..I would certainly say that is an assumption. .
As far as hostility. .I don't believe I am the one who is hostile. .anyway I am a big believer in allowing all opinions..

 

[kuger]

For a starter Fox, raccoon, squirrel opossum, bobcat. ..
I do a soft release when possible..

....I have to disagree,because from experience,and close study,has proven that all but maybe the squirrel,leads to dis orientation.An animal that is removed from an area where it was born,is not familiar with water source's,safe travel ways etc. things passed down from mother to young.Fox's are extremely suceptible to Distemper and actually the population suffers a die off every so many years(seems to be on a 7 year cycle)When you take an animal from one location to another you run a very high chance of moving disease (as mentioned earlier in this conversation)Raccoon Roundworm.......familiar with that?If you are not I HIGHLY recommend you get real familiar before you handle another Raccoon!Read up on the Casey Reed Case.....I worked that case,and conducted a three year study on the Roundworm along the Central Calif. Coast.Over %60 of the coons tested within Pacific Grove were positive.....while just 20 miles away,there was none.It cost around $100 per animal to test,and who knows what the cost would be to treat?Where would that money come from?When you look into Round worm you may note that nothing known at this point will kill the egg....not even formaldehyde,its stays fertile in solid for over 50 years,and takes EXTREMELY hot water to dislodge to egg clusters from any surface.The eggs and worms may stay dormant in your body for many years,and there is no cure.Familiar with this?Would relocating an infected animal with this be good?Will we test every problem causing animal?In the end yes with out man/woman,there would be no animal "problems",but ....well,I dont see any human population control any time soon,so animal human conflict will continue

 

[arnofarrell]

here in Iowa we have to use non lead shot for dove hunting and of course waterfowl hunting. Also all ammo must be non lead on public land except slugs (here in Iowa you can only hunt deer with shotguns, no rifles).

I have been going to an eagle count for a couple years and last year a rehab lady brought in a eagle that was blind because of lead poisoning. It is sad but I am not going to change my ways because of it. As stated above where are the dead vultures from lead?

How many raptors are killed by massive wind mills each day??

 

[kuger]

Well might want to re read your post..When someone confronts saying ...how many birds has my cat killed..I would certainly say that is an assumption. .
As far as hostility. .I don't believe I am the one who is hostile. .anyway I am a big believer in allowing all opinions..

wasnt assuming anything was asking a question.Is that OK?How shall I ask you questions in the future?Are you aware how many song birds are killed each year by "animal lovers",cats?People that are against all killing of any thing for any reason?Is is safe for me to assume,that you fell into that category as well....if I was assuming...which I was not.Again,Thank you for your responsible pet ownership....or "stewardship",I wish more people would follow your lead

 

[arnofarrell]

Dystemper if foxes has been a problem here as well but like you said it seems to be cyclical. I finally started seeing foxes about 2 years ago and now they are eating my chickens. I caught one last year and my dogs caught and killed another.

 

[kuger]

here in Iowa we have to use non lead shot for dove hunting and of course waterfowl hunting. Also all ammo must be non lead on public land except slugs (here in Iowa you can only hunt deer with shotguns, no rifles).

I have been going to an eagle count for a couple years and last year a rehab lady brought in a eagle that was blind because of lead poisoning. It is sad but I am not going to change my ways because of it. As stated above where are the dead vultures from lead?

How many raptors are killed by massive wind mills each day??

Arno,I agree that is horrible,I do not like to see,or know of any animal suffering.This is why I applaud Squiggy's work....noble profession for sure!!However,there are so many more sources of lead out there than just hunting!Eagles main food source is fish!How many fish are packing around a bullet?Also I quit duck hunting when the banned lead shot because it horrified me,how many birds were crippled and often not recovered using worthless steel shot!Waterfowl have to be controlled like anything else....look at the Snow Goose Population right now,it reached epic proportions and even the Fed F&W are scrambling to get it knocked back before Mother Nature uses her method....disease and starvation!

 

[squiggy]

....I have to disagree,because from experience,and close study,has proven that all but maybe the squirrel,leads to dis orientation.An animal that is removed from an area where it was born,is not familiar with water source's,safe travel ways etc. things passed down from mother to young.Fox's are extremely suceptible to Distemper and actually the population suffers a die off every so many years(seems to be on a 7 year cycle)When you take an animal from one location to another you run a very high chance of moving disease (as mentioned earlier in this conversation)Raccoon Roundworm.......familiar with that?If you are not I HIGHLY recommend you get real familiar before you handle another Raccoon!Read up on the Casey Reed Case.....I worked that case,and conducted a three year study on the Roundworm along the Central Calif. Coast.Over %60 of the coons tested within Pacific Grove were positive.....while just 20 miles away,there was none.It cost around $100 per animal to test,and who knows what the cost would be to treat?Where would that money come from?When you look into Round worm you may note that nothing known at this point will kill the egg....not even formaldehyde,its stays fertile in solid for over 50 years,and takes EXTREMELY hot water to dislodge to egg clusters from any surface.The eggs and worms may stay dormant in your body for many years,and there is no cure.Familiar with this?Would relocating an infected animal with this be good?Will we test every problem causing animal?In the end yes with out man/woman,there would be no animal "problems",but ....well,I dont see any human population control any time soon,so animal human conflict will continue

First of all..Everyone of my raccoons are worked every few weeks and given both feline and canine distemper injections by me..
Soft release means they are in very large species specific enclosures for many weeks as close to original site as possible.They are released when time is appropriate and can return as long as they choose until they are oriented to what is around them and established own territory. .

 

[Crispin]

Thank you!Also thank you for your work!!!I too,am in the "Wildlife" field and have saved more animals than most.....guarantee I have put in more time and $$$$ than %99 of PETA memebers.I am a predator Control Specialist.I have never ever came across a lead poisoned Buzzard,have you?Also being in the rehab business you should be aware that lead is used un bullets for good reason,it is heavier than most all other metals therefore is more lethal,less wounded and suffering animals!Although many and likely your self included beleive that you will end all hunting in this State you are sorely mistaken.You may regulate it to death,and take from folks that hunt for a hobby,but where there are animals and people,there will always be conflict,and non lethal means do not always work....actually hardly ever.Once a wild animal is exposed to easy food from people they are forever channeled to this easy source.Translocation is also very in effective and down right cruel....aside fro spreading disease to other wise disease free populations.Just think about things before making choices with your heart/emootions

Serious question: How does a heavier bullet make something more lethal? Is it the whole Mass1 x velocity 1 = mass2 x velocity 2 thing?
I would think there would be a lot of other factors that determine lethality. In humans, the easiest gunshot wounds to treat are when the bullet goes all the way through and out the other side. Less risk of leaving material behind for infection. Don't have to go digging around for the bullet. Usually means a cleaner wound. Go Go Gadget Scalpel!

 

[squiggy]

Arno,I agree that is horrible,I do not like to see,or know of any animal suffering.This is why I applaud Squiggy's work....noble profession for sure!!However,there are so many more sources of lead out there than just hunting!Eagles main food source is fish!How many fish are packing around a bullet?Also I quit duck hunting when the banned lead shot because it horrified me,how many birds were crippled and often not recovered using worthless steel shot!Waterfowl have to be controlled like anything else....look at the Snow Goose Population right now,it reached epic proportions and even the Fed F&W are scrambling to get it knocked back before Mother Nature uses her method....disease and starvation!

I respect that so much!

 

[squiggy]

First of all..Everyone of my raccoons are worked every few weeks and given both feline and canine distemper injections by me..
Soft release means they are in very large species specific enclosures for many weeks as close to original site as possible.They are released when time is appropriate and can return as long as they choose until they are oriented to what is around them and established own territory. .

That was to say they are wormed! Lol!

 

[kuger]

Squigg,I feel like we may be realizing we have common views??See,dont "Judge",us,and "we",should not "assume/Judge",you!!I have devoted my entire life to wildlife....including hunting for "sport"....which actually is a mis-nomer,because it has always been for food.I actually "hunt",very little anymore as I dont need the meat(have cattle)but when I do,its with archery equipt.I was raised in a house with a Mtn. lion,owls,hawks,and several Bobcats throughout the years(My Dad and Uncle,were always bringing something home)I have raised coyote pups,coon cubs,and even had a pet skunk!Please read up on that Raccoon Round worm....its not normal round worm,and is viscous!!!!!!

 

[kuger]

Serious question: How does a heavier bullet make something more lethal? Is it the whole Mass1 x velocity 1 = mass2 x velocity 2 thing?
I would think there would be a lot of other factors that determine lethality. In humans, the easiest gunshot wounds to treat are when the bullet goes all the way through and out the other side. Less risk of leaving material behind for infection. Don't have to go digging around for the bullet. Usually means a cleaner wound. Go Go Gadget Scalpel!

Crispin,you just answered your question......a lead bullet mushrooms out,causes more tissue damage.A jacketed bullet does pass through....easy to treat....less lethal

 

[arnofarrell]

The snow goose population boom is incredible. In my state we have lifted almost all restrictions on hunting them and it hasn't seem to put a dent in the population. I hear that they are destroying there breeding grounds and Canada has brought up a solution which people just destroy the eggs and nests to try and curb the population.

 

[releventchair]

Tissue damage to vitals critical,but more energy is transferred as well. A solid projectile that only pokes a hole is not transferring energy,(kinda like hydraulic shock being applied.
Or knife versus ball bat.) While accuracy should be strived for before even considering shooting an animal the shock of leaving the most energy possible ensures more instant kills.
There is reason?behind ammo types allowed by geneva convention. Our common 223 has a steel core,,just poking holes,in theory.
At risk of going overboard,there is a balance between bullet weight and design, expansion and weight retention combined with the energy it is delivered with. The application depends on game size and hide thickness. A non fatal wound is caused by wrong bullet or caliber or poor shot placement or lack of energy.

 

[squiggy]

Squigg,I feel like we may be realizing we have common views??See,dont "Judge",us,and "we",should not "assume/Judge",you!!I have devoted my entire life to wildlife....including hunting for "sport"....which actually is a mis-nomer,because it has always been for food.I actually "hunt",very little anymore as I dont need the meat(have cattle)but when I do,its with archery equipt.I was raised in a house with a Mtn. lion,owls,hawks,and several Bobcats throughout the years(My Dad and Uncle,were always bringing something home)I have raised coyote pups,coon cubs,and even had a pet skunk!Please read up on that Raccoon Round worm....its not normal round worm,and is viscous!!!!!!

I think we do have some common views..

 

[Backbacon]

I hunt large game with lead and birds with stainless steel shot. The lead round does produce a more humane kill, facts are facts. Now, what about the people that don't hunt?