Mighty-fine Madison?

eastTNJoe · Mar 1, 2015

I found this little beauty last week but just got pics uploaded…I think it is a Madison, but would welcome suggestions from others. I tried to include some views at multiple angles..it is thin enough that light passes through.

yakker · Mar 1, 2015

I don't think that's a madison.....

eastTNJoe · Mar 1, 2015

yakker said:
I don't think that's a madison.....

thanks!…any idea what it may be then?

NCPeaches · Mar 1, 2015

Not sure of the type but it's a beauty!

yakker · Mar 2, 2015

It's hard to see a ground base (though I was hoping to see that, maybe you can see it- That's what I was 'Seeing' last night...), but the flute seems to be there. Maybe Pigeon Side Notch... see what you think- according to this (from Archaeology at Wilson-Warren.edu (the flake patterns don't seem to be right though).

(Keel)
This triangular blade has concave or straight sides. The length is twice the width. The base can be incurvate, excurvate, or straight and thinned with pressure flaking. The side notches are very shallow measuring 1 mm deep and 1-3 mm wide. Points range from 28-39 mm long, 13-23 mm wide, and 6-8 mm thick. This point is made by percussion-flaking with pressure-flaking along the edges and side notches. This is an Early Woodland point.

I don't have time now- and I was too tired last night to get a proper look at it (it's a beauty, BTW). x2 check base. Flute, right? Is it exhausted or simply small/ secondary flaking? Lovely material :thumbsup:

I'll keep looking when I can home from work.

Maybe someone else will jump in, hopefully...

jamey · Mar 2, 2015

that has a very old look too it,really nice point for sure.could be a plainview

rock · Mar 2, 2015

Nice little point Im not sure on it but maybe somebody else will know.

old digger · Mar 2, 2015

That sure is a beautiful point, I wouldn't mind finding one like that. :icon_thumleft:

Flea-bit Monkey · Mar 2, 2015

Beautiful material. Sweet one!!!!

quito · Mar 2, 2015

Are the edges ground near the base?

ptsofnc · Mar 2, 2015

Whatever it is.........it is mighty fine! Thanks for showing.

eastTNJoe · Mar 2, 2015

quito said:
Are the edges ground near the base?

I have the hardest time figuring that out…I will pull it out in a little bit and feel it and take some more pics…thanks to all for the suggestions!

eastTNJoe · Mar 2, 2015

yakker said:
It's hard to see a ground base (though I was hoping to see that, maybe you can see it- That's what I was 'Seeing' last night...), but the flute seems to be there. Maybe Pigeon Side Notch... see what you think- according to this (from Archaeology at Wilson-Warren.edu (the flake patterns don't seem to be right though).

(Keel)
This triangular blade has concave or straight sides. The length is twice the width. The base can be incurvate, excurvate, or straight and thinned with pressure flaking. The side notches are very shallow measuring 1 mm deep and 1-3 mm wide. Points range from 28-39 mm long, 13-23 mm wide, and 6-8 mm thick. This point is made by percussion-flaking with pressure-flaking along the edges and side notches. This is an Early Woodland point.

I don't have time now- and I was too tired last night to get a proper look at it (it's a beauty, BTW). x2 check base. Flute, right? Is it exhausted or simply small/ secondary flaking? Lovely material
I'll keep looking when I can home from work.

Maybe someone else will jump in, hopefully...

Thanks for all the input!
Here are some more pics

Tnmountains · Mar 2, 2015

Joe you are right enough. They are Mississippian just like guntersvile hamiltons and madison. They are common in your area. I have a pile of them if you want to see some like examples.All in our Dallas phase. Base not ground. Its an arrow point.
You found a real nice one

eastTNJoe · Mar 2, 2015

Tnmountains said:
Joe you are right enough. They are Mississippian just like guntersvile hamiltons and madison. They are common in your area. I have a pile of them if you want to see some like examples.All in our Dallas phase. Base not ground. Its an arrow point.
You found a real nice one

Thanks TNMTNS…of course I want to see some of yours! Post some pics! Hope you are doing well...

Tnmountains · Mar 2, 2015

Some will have a bifurcate base some won't. They made some of these even bigger and some very small. I have found then from about 30 miles above you to 50 miles below. This is just a few. Some of the work is fantastic as what you see in yours. If they are longer thinner they go in to the guntersville category . Dallas era triangle form the Chickamauga basin.

eastTNJoe · Mar 2, 2015

Tnmountains said:
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Some will have a bifurcate base some won't. They made some of these even bigger and some very small. I have found then from about 30 miles above you to 50 miles below. This is just a few. Some of the work is fantastic as what you see in yours. If they are longer thinner they go in to the guntersville category . Dallas era triangle form the Chickamauga basin.

Thanks man! Awesome info. My gut told me it was somewhere in the Guntersville/Madison range…but the little bit of stuff I've found at this spot was way earlier in era... so it seemed out of place a bit. I always appreciate your expertise.

Tnmountains · Mar 2, 2015

Well the window you hunt is what 13,000 + to trade goods to removal. It has it all.Many types named for your area. Hope all is well. Tell your Dad I said "Howdy".