Most unique Quartz Style I've Found, today. Happy Memerorial Day

[Edgychris1]

Hi folks,

So this is my first quartz that resembles a Neville or stark, not sure on stamp. It is perfect
Uniform, unreal quality workmanship.

I find all sorts of quartz, but never anything broad and big like this. The big quartz triangle one in a while.

Any ideas??

Also found nemurous wading river and a fantastic popular Island. Some quartz scrapes and quartz knife.

Here are some photos, however I'll remember the quartz broad style one I found today forever.

Thanks Chris

 

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[Up-North]

Good on you.. very nice finds!

 

[Edgychris1]

Good on you.. very nice finds!

Almost forgot the biface knife!!

 

[antmike915]

Nice finds Chris

 

[kentucky Quinn]

That?s some nice finds! Keep on it

 

[Edgychris1]

So,
I've yet to find a fully quartz one like this. I believe it could be a Stark, however not certain.

Is this a Stark?
Found in South East New England.

Thanks

 

[Tdog]

Stark Projectile Point.

 

[Hunting_Dad]

Not a stark or a Neville, the base is wrong for both. Likely a very nice example of a Bare Island imo

 

[Tdog]

Not a stark or a Neville, the base is wrong for both. Likely a very nice example of a Bare Island imo

The base is snapped off. It looks like it once had a contracting stem based on the way it tapers below the shoulders.

 

[Tony in SC]

That's a fine piece to have been cut from quartz!

 

[Edgychris1]

Yessir,
Must have been a large piece to start with. Its syymetteical, not to thin not to thick. I love this piece.

I think the key to ID is the taper in its stem.

I really have never seen a broad quartz like this out of the hundreds of quartz points I've found.

In my personal finds I mean.

Thanks all

 

[MAMucker]

Just my opinion..

That quarts point is a killer and a heart breaker.

It?s unfortunate where the base is snapped off. It?s not possible to ID it with any certainty. The bit of tapering of the stem may or may not have continued through to the base.

Could be a Stark. And I like it as a Stark, or Neville Variant Could be something else.

That?s the trouble with broken stems.

 

[Charl]

Yes, I agree with MAMucker. The base is broken, hard to know how it would have terminated. You can speculate on what lithics were preferred for the Neville Complex family of points. Quartz would be an unusual choice for a Neville or Stark, in my experience. Look through Boudreau’s many examples of Neville, Neville Variant, and Stark. Do you see a single example made of quartz? Nope, not one. In all likelihood, it’s none of the above....

 

[kentucky Quinn]

Well I don?t know what type ID it is, but it is beautifully done. Love the see through pic man

 

[erfranks]

Nice Points

 

[Edgychris1]

I think that's what I mean by unique.
Based on the points I've found, in relation, I do believe this is an odd material for the classification.

I do not see in the book any relation. I also do not see many points I have found in the region in this book.
I think its time for volume two or a revision thereof.

Its was found in identical I've found starks.
I know that doesnt mean anything.
In this location I also came upon a cache of 11 snap pits in 3 square feet all full quartz.
I returned to find 6 more snappit within 15 feet from site.
It's a very productive spot and one I found by myself. That doesn't mean it wasn't found before me by someone else, but I did happen upon it myswlf.
It was also very close to were I found d foxcreek points.
Ugh, anyways. Thanks for the input guys.

P.S. I guess it's a dispersed Cache when the water spreads them a few feet out.

 

[Edgychris1]

On this note,
There is a verse in the argument I would like to steer clear from. That is; in most cases and likelyhood.
Rare peices do occur and is a factor of time spent.
A few of my pieces now have been discarded as in most cases not. This is more unprovable than the traits the point displays.
Did you find this almost woodland points?
In same cases yes. I do believe that as you are gambling with what you say.
Just like taking probiotics when you are on antibiotics is not good for you as of recent.
Information is gathered and analyzed all the time. Things do change and new information does come about.
Anyways.
That's what I mean by unique. It's not of the bunch and likelyhood of being similar is just based on the bunch not the traits.
Not a good thing to go by.


I do appreciate all the input.

Thanks guys

 

[Edgychris1]

What is more unlikely is that Starka were only made if quartzite, not quartz and quartzite ect..

Upnorth uploaded a nice unique stark too. If I remember correctly it had some dark red in it.

I've fished with a bamboo rod and a graphite rod and I'm in my thirties....

 

[billb]

Chris very nice thanks for showing us

 

[MAMucker]

Im not sure if you?re just venting or addressing something specific. Hard to tell from the scatter shot.

To be clear, you invited opinions on the quartz point, and received opinions -And certainly one very-well respected New England (Charl-s) opinion that comes with many decades of study and contribution.

To say that we need a revision of Beaudrou?s Guide (A New England Typology..) based on your broken quartz point (as cool as it is) is to stretch of the importance of your find.

Beaudrou?s Guide will likely get revised and refined as more information is gathered. Incidentally, it was informed by the last 6+ decades of MAS Bulletins, State and Public Archeological Digs, Reports, photographs, All the Artifacts that have gone through Robin?s Museum, and Contributions from Collectors and MAS members throughout those decades.

I admit that my thought process can take some time. -I was going to reference the Morrow Mountain II as an argument for the likelihood that a Quartz Stark is in the realm of possibility up here in New England. But this post went too sideways to throw that in now (wink wink).

Now concerning your discarded pieces? Every piece tells a bit of the story.