Mumford bar trail, north fork American river

[sublimages]

I will be spending a couple days on exploring the north fork american river, via the mumford bar trail. Does anyone with first hand experience of the area have any tips/warnings/ suggestions?
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[Jeff95531]

Ok, maybe you need to hear it from someone else. Land Matters is the latest, greatest tool we've had since the sluice. Is it easy at first? No. Will you get frustrated? Yes. But DON'T give up. Learn it, then use it. Clay has walked you thru the whole area and THAT was something he didn't have to do. Take his advice, use the tutorials and ask for help when you get to the point you need it. Ain't NOTHING easy in CA!

 

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[sublimages]

I'm sure it is a great tool. Like i said before it doesn't work for me. It will not get past the creating map screen. Regardless, I prefer to get my information directly from the source if i can.

My plan was to pan between mumford bar trail and sailor flat trail IN (not around) the nfar and I think i have enough information to safely do that. I plan on stopping at the blm office on the way to verify my information, i just didn't want to drive all the way there if I wasn't fairly confident about my information.

I think my map is fine(the blue hash section is wild and scenic river, where i intend to be):

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I got tired of the forms for lr2000 so i made this:
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[rodoconnor]

Let this be a lesson to you Barry, " No good deed goes unpunished."

 

[MineralsAndThings]

Good lord that site is a gift from the heavens thank you for posting it!

 

[Clay Diggins]

Let this be a lesson to you Barry, " No good deed goes unpunished."

You are so right Rod.

You can lead them to water but can't make them think.

Heavy Pans

 

[sublimages]

The maturity level on this thread just dropped 100%. I'm out.

 

[The Gilded Lens]

Wow. I was actually proud of the maturity level. No one even called anyone a poo headed ninny muggins! Literally, the whole thread was, " I've been there let me literally tell you about the place", or "let me show you tools that have worked for me".

This area of north fork is AMAZING, but also super dangerous. It demands awe and respect and one would be wise to utilize each and every tool available and droplet of wisdom offered. Take it from someone who goes every year.

 

[Oregon Viking]

The maturity level on this thread just dropped 100%. I'm out.

I don't think you were ever "in"
Pay attention to people that know WTF they are talking about.

 

[SchoolOfHardRocks]

Hello Sub,
The mumford bar trail has a dickens of a lot of switchbacks on it but it is an easy trail to hike, assuming the hiker is in reasonable condition. It is among one of the easiest trails along the NFAR.

I think it was the 2008 or 9 fire that burned the area and took out the forest to the tops of the trees. This has allowed the sunlight to reach the forest floor making the weeds Plentiful as well as 6' to 8' tall. Just before the trail reaches the river the weeds are especially bad, thick and tall, at least that is the way it was the last time I hiked it ~2010.

There is the remains of a log cabin next to the trail, after you get past the weeds, with a spring running past it, maybe not now though, with a very large apple tree ~ 100' from the cabin to the right. The trail down the river side wall is steep, to the right of where the spring goes over the sidewall. This year as the water flow is ~ 30 CFS right now (take that is being extremely low and filled with algae) one will have an easy time of crossing the river anywhere. It will be very wise to filter or treat the water Before drinking it!

Just down river from where the trail comes down, say 100 yards down river, will be a small waterfall and pool. at that point the river turns into a solid rock wall gorge as it heads down to the Italian Bar Trail, a slipper but interesting hike down the river. A hard rock mine exists on the right side as you are going down river.

Up river from where the trail comes down to the river, say about 3/4 of a mile on the trail, the river makes a nice curving bend around a solid rock outcropping/hill thingy. Again, the weeds may have taken command of the trail along the canyon floor so you may need to hike the river. I would recommend a solid hiking staff be used when hiking in the river as slipping and falling is not good for a persons bones.

There is a huge amount of country in the NFAR canyon with side canyons galore, a huge amount of mining history every where and if you've not noticed the comments, there are a LOT OF BEARS IN THERE!!!!! I carry a heavy duty revolver with me whenever I go in on the NFAR and have had to use it as a noise maker which it does an excellent job at. Usually the bears will leave and not come back after hearing that thing go off.

If you will be in there for several days I would recommend putting your food up on a steel cable over a high tree limb so the bears can not get at it or chew through the cable, the easily chew through nylon parachute cord and I've a LOT of experience with that. The steel cable has never failed to keep the bears away from my food. If you will be sleeping in a tent, leave it unzipped during the day so the bears can go in to it without needing to tear it open.

Best of luck..........................63bkpkr

I love reading your posts about the NFAR 63bkpkr.. It's the most beautiful area I've come accross in life, i love it and head out there almost every weekend. I usually don't go in "too deep" but have a couple times and it seems that things get even more interesting the further you go in. I've considered a gun but i have a bunch of toddlers in the house and worry about them getting ahold of it or just having to baby sit the thing if we bring it camping. Bought some bear spray but took it back after never bringing it out with me. So i just make a ton of noise and have my handy shovel as a last line of defense lol. Love hearin' about your experiences and your great insight of this great area..keep it comin'!!

 

[okbasspro]

I'm sure it is a great tool. Like i said before it doesn't work for me. It will not get past the creating map screen. Regardless, I prefer to get my information directly from the source if i can. My plan was to pan between mumford bar trail and sailor flat trail IN (not around) the nfar and I think i have enough information to safely do that. I plan on stopping at the blm office on the way to verify my information, i just didn't want to drive all the way there if I wasn't fairly confident about my information. I think my map is fine(the blue hash section is wild and scenic river, where i intend to be): <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1201349"/> I got tired of the forms for lr2000 so i made this: <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1201359"/>

Well gents should we start a go fund me page for his bail money. We all know how accurate BLM is they just want to collect the $$$$. They don't care if 100 claims on same ground and don't care what they tell you as long as you pay and go away.

 

[okbasspro]

Good lord that site is a gift from the heavens thank you for posting it!

Yes yes it is.

 

[Goldwasher]

coming from out of state.....gonna park car in unknown area and hike into the MFAR for the first time ever....never been.. ask questions... don't like answers ..get rude about it....get's to be judge of others maturity level.....have fun!

 

[Asmbandits]

Was on the Land Matters page myself last night and it was not clearing the loading page for myself as well. Ive used the site many times an sometimes it takes about 10-20 seconds to load a map and lately is been taking much longer, last night I counted 3+ minutes to load and I gave up. I know Im not alone with this and no, its not my high end pc or internet connection as both wife's high end rig and my work rig all experienced the same, internet speed test shows im downloading around 50 mbps on all rigs with current internet connection. Im thinking possibly a hosting issue? anyways great tool indeed but Ive noticed what others have said about its performance myself and though I would share.

 

[Goldwasher]

It gets slow for me sometimes too. But, I know for sure that all my settings are right...and from what I'm told when everything is set right it is your computer and or speed...even when you have a "fast speed"...Barry would amount of people accessing your server simultaneously affect it?

 

[Asmbandits]

Just tried it again and its back to about 10 seconds between each map loading. Possibly a traffic issue?

 

[Clay Diggins]

Traffic does have some small effect. The biggest issue we see is streaming services from government servers (mostly the base layers). Some of the base maps take a looong time to load.

Try loading your map with NO base layers turned on. If your map load is still slow please PM me about what you were tying to display at the time and I will track it down.

We don't have a host. This is a dedicated server in Houston. Processing times on the server are rarely more than 4 seconds and normally fractions of a second.

From the site:

If you have a slow internet connection or complex maps are loading too slow for your liking make your map window smaller and your maps will load quicker.

We are ready to host our own base maps and get rid of the government bottlenecks but we don't have enough disk space. Disk space costs money and Land Matters barely has enough support to pay it's monthly server bill as it is.

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[Jeff95531]

I don't get it, unless maybe he was trying on a phone In any event, even the local library here "get's" Land Matters on-line and just happens to have documented research material all around me...for free no less

 

[63bkpkr]

The Beacroft Trail is not for everyone and I consider it to be as long as Mumford. It is quite steep though it does have a spring about half way down that is 'usually' running. As you are quite a bit higher up the scenery is more spectacular and the country is rougher. Once down to the valley floor if you go left the trail to the river is close at hand and brings you down to a ~ 15' waterfall and that hole is great to swim in. If you take the trail to the left that goes up hill you continue down river past the rock gorge the waterfall feeds and do not come back down close to the water for say half an hour or more (carrying a pack that is).

When you reach the valley floor if you go to the right(up river) you will cross over Tadpole creek, the bridge may have burned in 08. The trail angles back up the canyon wall and stays high for a very long way, almost all the way to Sailor Flat trail. Again, this area was included in the 08 fire so the weeds may be bad. Before the trail breaks out of the forest there is a trail on the left that goes back down to the river. Nice swimming holes there and a canyon way going further up river. About half way to Sailor there is a major flood plain along the river on the opposite wall with a very large somewhat shaded area to camp at. Several all steel wheelbarrows were there the last time I passed that way. Further up river the trail starts to drop back down to the valley floor (heading into Sailor Flat Trail country) but I was told the side wall had fallen down.

The way I explain the Beacroft trail (made up of course) is: A mining foreman was looking for a way down the mountain, he brought with him about 5,000 laborers. He stepped up on the edge of the cliff and no trail was in sight. He noticed a two story monster of a boulder in back of him. He looked at the boulder, he looked at the edge of the cliff and told his men to roll the boulder over. It crashed down the mountain throwing huge clouds of dust, trees and other boulders into the air. The next day the dust had cleared and when he looked over the cliff he shouted back to his men "There's the Trail"!!!!! Like I say it is not for everyone!

There are obvious signs of mining all along the river including in the Beacroft trail area....................63bkpkr

 

[Goldwasher]

I live in a rural area our Internet is a radio signal...it does vary

 

[The Gilded Lens]

The Beacroft Trail is not for everyone and I consider it to be as long as Mumford. It is quite steep though it does have a spring about half way down that is 'usually' running. As you are quite a bit higher up the scenery is more spectacular and the country is rougher. Once down to the valley floor if you go left the trail to the river is close at hand and brings you down to a ~ 15' waterfall and that hole is great to swim in. If you take the trail to the left that goes up hill you continue down river past the rock gorge the waterfall feeds and do not come back down close to the water for say half an hour or more (carrying a pack that is).

When you reach the valley floor if you go to the right(up river) you will cross over Tadpole creek, the bridge may have burned in 08. The trail angles back up the canyon wall and stays high for a very long way, almost all the way to Sailor Flat trail. Again, this area was included in the 08 fire so the weeds may be bad. Before the trail breaks out of the forest there is a trail on the left that goes back down to the river. Nice swimming holes there and a canyon way going further up river. About half way to Sailor there is a major flood plain along the river on the opposite wall with a very large somewhat shaded area to camp at. Several all steel wheelbarrows were there the last time I passed that way. Further up river the trail starts to drop back down to the valley floor (heading into Sailor Flat Trail country) but I was told the side wall had fallen down.

The way I explain the Beacroft trail (made up of course) is: A mining foreman was looking for a way down the mountain, he brought with him about 5,000 laborers. He stepped up on the edge of the cliff and no trail was in sight. He noticed a two story monster of a boulder in back of him. He looked at the boulder, he looked at the edge of the cliff and told his men to roll the boulder over. It crashed down the mountain throwing huge clouds of dust, trees and other boulders into the air. The next day the dust had cleared and when he looked over the cliff he shouted back to his men "There's the Trail"!!!!! Like I say it is not for everyone!

There are obvious signs of mining all along the river including in the Beacroft trail area....................63bkpkr

What? I thought he'd "enjoy" Beacroft! You are right on every point. I personally thought it was shorter. We had two groups who split and took both trails. We were waiting for the Mumford group to hike out for two hours. I've hiked up it once and that was enough for me. Now the cat's out of the bag, lol.
The wheelbarrows are still at the Big Sand Bar.

Yes, the whole area from the bottom of Beacroft to the river trail is overgrown with poison oak and blackberries from the '08 fire.