✅ SOLVED Navy two piece button ? Back mark “ Superior Quality Made in England ”

[8Reales]

Help with this two piece button
Anchor flanked by two stars
Backmark: “ Superior Quality Made in England ”

 

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[Organicseekers]

Thats a Royal Navy surgeon button. Im not sure what the 2 stars represent either side of the anchor. Diana's Buttons - Reference - British Navy Buttons

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Y'all please take this is a friendly correction. No, 8Reale's button showing an upright anchor with a star on each side of it is definitely not a British Royal Navy surgeon's button. It is shown (in a photo) in the Alphaeus H. Albert book on American uniform & historical buttons, in the (US) Governmental Organizations section, button GO-26B, listed as a US Merchant Marine academy cadet button.

 

[Organicseekers]

Y'all please take this is a friendly correction. No, 8Reale's button showing an upright anchor with a star on each side of it is definitely not a British Royal Navy surgeon's button. It is shown (in a photo) in the Alphaeus H. Albert book on American uniform & historical buttons, in the (US) Governmental Organizations section, button GO-26B, listed as a US Merchant Marine academy cadet button.

Did they make them in England? Its exactly the same as the Navy Surgeons emblem from the 1700s. But I will gladly stand corrected.

 

[8Reales]

Y'all please take this is a friendly correction. No, 8Reale's button showing an upright anchor with a star on each side of it is definitely not a British Royal Navy surgeon's button. It is shown (in a photo) in the Alphaeus H. Albert book on American uniform & historical buttons, in the (US) Governmental Organizations section, button GO-26B, listed as a US Merchant Marine academy cadet button.

Hi TheCannonballGuy is the backmark also listed “ Superior Quality Made in England ” or just the exact same obverse.
By the way thanx for IDing.

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

8Reales (the button's finder) asked:
> TheCannonballGuy is the backmark also listed “ Superior Quality Made in England ” or just the exact same obverse.

The Albert button-book's section on "Governmental Organizations" (for example, the Military Sealift Command, Civilian Conservation Corps, Merchant Marine, Civil Defense, Civil Air Command etc.) contains 44 types. Only two of the 44 have a backmark listed in the book. That is probably because the GO buttons are all from the 20th Century... thus, there are hundreds of modern-era backmarks on them. So, the answer to your question is, just the same obverse (a.k.a. front). The emblem is exactly the same on the book's specimen and your button. The ONLY difference between the book's specimen and yours is the form of the border around the emblem.

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Organicseekers asked:
> Did they make them in England?

Yes. The US Merchant Marine button isn't the only modern-era American "uniformed services" button know to have "Made In England" in its backmark. For example, Great Seal US Army buttons and US Marines buttons have turned up marked made-in-England.

> Its exactly the same as the Navy Surgeons emblem from the 1700s.

No, it is not "exactly the same."
On the Royal Navy Surgeon button:
The shape of the anchor is different,
the anchor has no rope,
the anchor's flat top is thin and not made of wood.

Most important, there are no stars. In fact, there is no star (or stars, plural) on ANY Royal Navy button.

At the website you linked to (Diana's Buttons: Buttons of the UK's Royal Navy), the info given under the image of a Royal Navy Surgeon button says, "RN Surgeon At Sea - 1805 After this issue, a Surgeon will use same design as a Captain's Button. In service from 1805 to 1812." (The exact same info is under the image of the Royal Navy Surgeon In Hospital button.) So, the ONLY years in which a Royal Navy Surgeon button had an anchor on it was 1805-12. 8Reale's button is obviously not from that time-period (nor earlier).

Lastly... no buttons from before the 20th Century are known to have a backmark saying "Made In Elngland."

 

[sprailroad]

OK, to begin, It always seemed to me that "Cannonballguy" is like 99.9 percent always correct. After reading his post #3, I thought AH HA!, on page #288 & 289, GO 26 B, the buttons were not a match, almost, but not. BUT, I had not yet read his post #6 and #7, and well....you would think that after all this time I would of known better. It has been said that nobody can have a 100 percent rating in always being correct, but I think bumping it up from 99.9 to 99.99 would be most appropriate. Whatever was I thinking.

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

Sprailroad, thank you very much for taking the time to write and post that very-positive "review" of my work here in the What-Is-It? forum. I do put a lot of work into my relic-ID answers. For example, micro-examination of an object's small details. (That is how I and other ID-helpers manage to correctly distinguish between a Reproduction and an Original specimen of a rare historical coin.) Also, I own and frequently consult "the best" of the various scholarly reference-books about the types of relics I am interested in. Helpful hint: Keep one of your relic reference-books on the back of your toilet, for productive sit-down reading material. Also, when I do not know the answer from memory, I often know where to find it, in a book or on the internet.

Lastly... as I've publicly confessed previously in this forum... my high "score" here is actually just a carefully crafted illusion. That "score" is like a baseball batting-average. I only swing at the thrown balls I'm 99%-certain I can hit.

Best regards,
TheCannonballGuy

 

[8Reales]

Just want to thank you guys for the information, especially Thecannonballguy u are amazing Iding things, thank you again.

 

[Inspector]

Great button find, congrats

 

[8Reales]

Great button find, congrats

Thank you Inspector

 

[Rookster]

Nice button.

 

[sprailroad]

Cannonballguy is one of the "Go To" guys on a number of T-Net Topics. Have lots of respect for his input. There are some others as well, there are some names on T-Net that when I see them, I really do want to read what they have to offer. I learn things.

 

[8Reales]

Nice button.

Thank you bud

 

[8Reales]

Cannonballguy is one of the "Go To" guys on a number of T-Net Topics. Have lots of respect for his input. There are some others as well, there are some names on T-Net that when I see them, I really do want to read what they have to offer. I learn things.

Great knowledge and always willing to help

 

[A2coins]

awesome post and ID

 

[8Reales]

awesome post and ID

Yes indeed my friend, awesome members in the " What is it " section.