need help with identification

[boxxxer]

while detecting a site I found at 13 inches deep what I thought was a can and it turned out to be this. three sheets of lead in a pile then I found this bullet also. the weight is 28.52 gm and the demensions are as follows .535 -.536 length is 1.087, also there are no marks on the inside and the shape looks conical, not machined. its not completely pristine. and the way it measures I think maybe its a 54 cal 3 ringer possible a selma miss rifle 54 cal. from Mississippi. confederate? Thanks to all for the help.

 

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[boxxxer]

here are the photos

 

[A2coins]

Looks like a 3 ringer to me

 

[Inspector]

Nice digs, congrats

 

[Tony in SC]

Do you know any history on this site? Could have been where someone was using stand down time to pour some bullets. The bullet doesn't look very good and could be casting material along with the other lead.

 

[boxxxer]

Tony in SC
I like to verify that it is confederate first of all and because if it is it possibly belonged to John hunt Morgan's raiders. left there July 13-14 1863. this place is not far from camp Dennison Ohio. directly in his path of his way east thru to Williamsburg Ohio. there used to be a house on this site also in 1872. thanks for your help.

 

[boxxxer]

a correction on the length is 1.0125 to 1.0135 very hard to measure. it's near the measurements of two 54 caliber 3 ring confederate rounds for the Mississippi rifle.

 

[TheCannonballGuy]

I speak on this bullet ID request as a 40-year dealer (and digger) of civil war bullets. Sorry to have to disappoint you... your .54-caliber 3-groove Minie bullet appears to be a yankee-made one. Most importantly, it shows no evidence of being a nose-cast bullet. Most Confederate 3-groove Minies were nose-cast. (Evidence of being nose-cast is a 1/8" to 3/16"-wide flat spot on the nose's tip.) Secondly, its body-grooves are very crisp/sharp, another indication of yankee manufacturing.

That being said... although there are a few types of CS-made Minies that do have crisp/sharp grooves, not being a nose-cast one is the most important ID-clue.

Let me give you some applause for helping us determine its CORRECT ID by doing something very few bullet-ID-Request posters bother to do... you included its very-precise weight (440 grains). That matches up neatly with the average weight of .54-caliber 3-groove Minie bullets, as reported in the "Handbook of Civil War Bullets & Cartridges" (by Jim & Dean Thomas).

I'm editing this message after I posted it, to add... although being yankee-made means it was "most likely" lost by a yankee soldier, we know with certainty that the Confederates frequently scavenged unfired bullet ammo from yankee prisoners. And especially, the fact that you dug it at a Morgan's Confederate Raiders site in OHIO suggest the likelihood that the Raiders, being far away from any ammo re-supply of their own, confiscated a captured yankee soldier's ammo.

 

[boxxxer]

Thanks for the great information, a little disappointed !!!! especially after I went to your reference site later that day, I thought it might be union, but the hunt is still on got lots of territory to search. it's still a neat find in a public park.

Thanks again