New info--excaliber to challenge Radio Shack & Garrett

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New info--excaliber to challenge Radio Shack & Garrett

Goldfever will hit the same site this Sunday (Aug 6th) with his Excaliber.

HollowPointred will get started on the challenge on Friday morning through Saturday, so it will be a good sample. He should be able to cover a good portion of the site where the silver has been found. I'm sure he'll post the results when he can.


The Challenge--

Over the past couple of years I have "searched out" an old swimming hole on private property where only I have permission (and it is in a small town and unknown). This is in NY not far from Newburgh, NY. It was virgin when I got there and I found about 35 silver coins and one colonial copper among other things. I have rarely dug mid range tones because I'd rather avoid the junk (so there could be gold and I have found a couple of buffalo nickles digging some of those tones). So, even if it is hunted out for silver, you could find good stuff in the mid range. Here's what I'd like to prove or disprove. I have a Radio Shack, Bounty Hunter. I'd like someone with a really high end detector to get in there and see if they can find any more silver (prove or disprove what I read about those detectors going deeper). I have always found alot of stuff, but would like to know if I'm actually missing stuff. Like I said, even if you don't find silver, there could be some other good stuff in there on the mid-range. This was a swimming hole for decades along a creek for the town and a resort in the town. It is about 100 yards long by anywhere from 15 yards to 50 yards wide. There is no catch. I have a great relationship with the owner and will work it out so you can go on the site. I would like to get one person who lives near enough that they will spend some time at the site and really get some data on this question and share it with those on Treasurenet after covering a large section or all of the site. If I get a lot of replies I'll have to turn away some people, so you'll have to understand. Send me message if you are seriously interested and nearby enough to do it and have a high quality detector. Would also appreciate suggestions from anyone who would identify best few detectors I should look for in doing this test. (Coins I have found range from one 1700s -- no date readable colonial copper, 1899 Barber Half, to lots of mercs, a few standing libs, washington quarters and rosies all silver. Lots of wheats)
 
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sounds interesting bergie. i have a garrett 2500 and live in wilmington delaware which is just about 1/2 an hours drive from philadelphia. i too am interested in whether or not all the hype is just smoke or is really credible. where are you located?.........uhhh ok newburgh new york, sorry........thats about a three hour drive from here. doable in my book! ;)
 
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I predict that whoever goes there with whatever detector will find silver. People have different styles of detecting. They may approach a target from a different direction and therefore get a better signal. Some dig every signal, some people only dig "for sure" signals. I have seen holes made by metal detectors and I scanned the holes before I filled them in and I found coins in several of them.
 
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Hey:
don't forget the 1880's Indian head i found there...
earthworks....
 
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ok, ive been in touch with bergie and im going to give it a shot on the 28th. (provided i can get off of work .......shouldnt be a problem). im as interested as he is to see how this all works out.
 
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If you really want a high end detector in there get a whites dfx or minelab explorer. The other key is to have an ADVANCED user of either machine, not a newbie.

Any other detector would be 2nd fiddle behind either one of those two and if it is an old site then there is probably some deep stuff in there.

But without a DFX or Explorer going in there it's tough to prove / disprove anything.
 
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Now come on big B. ::) I use a 2500 and I have gone right behind a couple of fellows with a dfx and found things they missed. I never made much of it on the forum just for the same reason I am responding to your post. No desire to start a pi$$ing contest about who makes the best detector. ;) The Garrett GTI 2500 is among the top 5 or 6 detectors on the market without a doubt. But the truth is it's more a question of of technique and experience than it is which top of the line detector you use. You can't honestly say something like , "If you don't use a specific brand or brands of detector you are not going to be successful." Bergie's quest specifically is for silver or less so gold and the GTI 2500 is a silver finding hound. I have found several of those tiny silver earrings and a few very small silver toe rings in places that I know have been hunted over and over dozens of times. Ditto a few gold or silver rings on public beaches. My deepest find was a common penny at 9" and a fist.....the length of my Gator digger plus my hand! That's what I have to say since I didn't measure it precisely. Not being the hoss I once was I routinely bypass some very deep legitimate sounding targets because I just don't have the stamina to spend the morning digging those deeper signals in the sun baked hard clay soil in my area. :'( It has been suggested that I buy a backhoe and perhaps that's what I'll have to do unless I can find me a big strong young hunting partner like you Brian! :D In the meantime, good luck and keep us posted on how it goes hollowpointrec. Monty
 
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Thanks for all the feedback. Looking forward to seeing how this all turns out. I covered this place very well finding silver about every trip and after a while less and less and then went about four of five times in a row without finding any silver. Then when I was about to consider it done I did find a standing liberty after I thought I couldn't find any more, but now convinced that at least with my detector I'm done with silver there, so we will see.
 
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Bergie,

I live in Middletown, NY and would like to get together to hunt some sites. I am a newbie and would appreciate going on a hunt and learning some techniques. Sent you a PM.

Funkman
 
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Bergie, red, I think this is a GREAT idea!! Please let us know the results.

Also, Monty, yep about the 2500. IMHO, when you're talking about EXII, 2500s, etc, you are almost into picking the "flyspecs outta the pepper" situation.

Finally, how bout someone with a good Minelab PI getting in on this after red's finished?

HH, ya'll!
Kajun
 
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Bergie,

You are begging me to come aren't you. If I lived a little closer you would get a visit from a gray bearded grinning man with a new Explorer II in hand saying, "Let,s Git' er done!". Red let us know how it goes, I really do envy you on this one. Good luck all.

Ed Donovan
 
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For Godsake post results gentelman!!!!! ;) ;) ;) Burdie
 
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i will absolutely post my honest results. i am just as curious as everyone else. even if bergie has taken every piece of silver out of there, it will still be fun to try and to see what happens. i really don't want this to turn into a pissing match of who's detector is better. i am not competitive in that way. i am looking at this as an experiment. i think we can at least all agree that the GTI 2500 is a top of the line model made with the intention of competing with the other top of the line models from the major manufacturers. with that in mind, lets see if it will find things that a less expensive model missed. there is a lot of hype and hub bub in all of the manufacturers catalogs. lets see if any of it is true. :)
 
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How many times do you figure you have searched that site? What was the depth of the deepest silver you dug up there?
 
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Probably went there 20 times for an average of about 3 hours per time. Deepest silver probably around six to seven inches.
 
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Monty said:
Now come on big B. ::) I use a 2500 and I have gone right behind a couple of fellows with a dfx and found things they missed. I never made much of it on the forum just for the same reason I am responding to your post. No desire to start a pi$$ing contest about who makes the best detector. ;) The Garrett GTI 2500 is among the top 5 or 6 detectors on the market without a doubt. But the truth is it's more a question of of technique and experience than it is which top of the line detector you use. You can't honestly say something like , "If you don't use a specific brand or brands of detector you are not going to be successful." Bergie's quest specifically is for silver or less so gold and the GTI 2500 is a silver finding hound. I have found several of those tiny silver earrings and a few very small silver toe rings in places that I know have been hunted over and over dozens of times. Ditto a few gold or silver rings on public beaches. My deepest find was a common penny at 9" and a fist.....the length of my Gator digger plus my hand! That's what I have to say since I didn't measure it precisely. Not being the hoss I once was I routinely bypass some very deep legitimate sounding targets because I just don't have the stamina to spend the morning digging those deeper signals in the sun baked hard clay soil in my area. :'( It has been suggested that I buy a backhoe and perhaps that's what I'll have to do unless I can find me a big strong young hunting partner like you Brian! :D In the meantime, good luck and keep us posted on how it goes hollowpointrec. Monty

Trust me, I don't want a pissing contest either. But I also said EXPERIENCED DFX or Explorer user. There are a lot who have them and make great finds, but a lot is where you are hunting and not so much their skills at all. But then again, I haven't seen too many people using a DFX to know just how good they are. But I know from experience that the explorer is a top notch machine. I'm also not knocking the 2500 as I know that is another great machine as well and can't argue against it since I have no experience.
 
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Bergie said:
Probably went there 20 times for an average of about 3 hours per time. Deepest silver probably around six to seven inches.

I don't know how fast coins sink in your neck of the woods, but I've found some deep coins here in Indiana. But I know that an 8" deep silver coin will come up nice and clean with the explorer assuming it isn't on edge... then good luck if it is, haha. :)

But I do want to see the results! :)
 
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I live an hour or so north of you and may be passing through your area enroute to/from the Jersey shore this weekend. I could stop by for 2-3 hours, mark some targets with my Explorer and let you sweep them with your machine to compare. You can keep any coins that surface, I'm on a gold expedition this weekend!

Charles (Upsate NY)
 
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Charles (Upstate NY) said:
I live an hour or so north of you and may be passing through your area enroute to/from the Jersey shore this weekend. I could stop by for 2-3 hours, mark some targets with my Explorer and let you sweep them with your machine to compare. You can keep any coins that surface, I'm on a gold expedition this weekend!

Charles (Upsate NY)

I was waiting for you to chime in on this Charles. I can almost put money that there are some nice coins left there and if anyone can find them, I bet Charles can!
 
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bscofield6 said:
Charles (Upstate NY) said:
I live an hour or so north of you and may be passing through your area enroute to/from the Jersey shore this weekend. I could stop by for 2-3 hours, mark some targets with my Explorer and let you sweep them with your machine to compare. You can keep any coins that surface, I'm on a gold expedition this weekend!

Charles (Upsate NY)

I was waiting for you to chime in on this Charles. I can almost put money that there are some nice coins left there and if anyone can find them, I bet Charles can!

As I was reading this thread, I was also expecting Charles to come in on this too. I'm eager to see how this turns out. I would love to be there to pick up a few pointers.

By the way bsco, you forgot to include the Tejon on your list... it also goes deep, which many "gopher holes" can attest to. ;D ;D
I am slowly becoming decent w/ my Explorer, but for a challenge of this sort would probably use my Tejon. I must be a good 2 hrs from his place, though. Besides, right now I have an area I'm working where I've already got most of the easy, loud coin signals out of and am now planning to start digging the fainter ones... should keep me busy until the Missouri hunt at least...
 

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