New Member, First Post, River Find Of Pipe (help date) Petrified Bone and Flint

BOOTY HUNTER

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Hello fellow treasure hunters. My name is Jim and this is my first post. Hope the pics are placed right. I just found this site while researching some of my other finds and I'm glad I did. I am currently living in Kansas but I have lived allover and I hunt for treasure everywhere I go.

I have hunted for treasure my whole life and I don't limit myself to just one way or style of hunting. I metal detect, scuba dive, surface hunt, dig, I go to auctions, estate sales, flea markets, etc. I hunt and collect about anything vintage to ancient.

I love all archeology and I collect artifacts from all cultures. I try to go surface and metal detecting on ancient sites as often as possible.

I was very fortunate to have parents that are in to treasure hunting, digging bottles, antiquing, finding Indian artifacts etc. So I was born in to this way of life and have a knack for finding things because of that. My parents exposed me to this "sickness" that I don't mind having. I usually keep everything I find but in the future I plan to open my own web site to sell off some stuff and about half of the site will be a museum. You know, for things I could never bring myself to get rid of.

I have permission to hunt a an old Fort which I hunted in the summer of 1993 and I found 10, 5 gallon buckets of locks, blacksmith made axe heads, U.S. tent stakes, buckels, bottles, etc. in about 4 hours. It is packed and I plan on going back this spring or summer. I will show you my finds.

I went surface hunting on a river today and I found some interesting things (but not my best). In this area you can find bones that are from the last ice age and older. Even ancient human bones are found as well as Paleo tools and Clovis Points. If you are lucky you can find Bison skulls and mastodon teeth. The last picture is of a Bison tooth.

Here is what I found:
Petrified Bones
A Bone Trigger Awl
Flint Flakes Flaked by Man
Trade Era Pipe (Kaolin Clay) (found Nov. 2nd same spot)
Bison Tooth

Here is the Trigger Awl. This was used as a tool for many purposes but the most interesting is knapping flint in to tools and projectile points. I have found several of these but this one is real nice because of its age, It is petrified. It also shows wear from use on the trigger and the tip. These were held in the hand with the first two fingers on the triggers and the thumb on top which allowed for a great amount of pressure and leverage.
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Here are other petrified bones that I found today. Many of these are from extinct animals and mammals. I find these often and sometimes they show cut marks from being butchered by ancient man. The University of Kansas has an awesome museum of these bones and artifacts of ancient man.
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Here are some flint flakes and chips that are the bi product of knapping flint into tools and projectile points. All show working and flaking by man and two could have been lancets. The triangle shaped one is a broken unifacial knife made from a flake (most likely paleo). There are also two dark brown bone points.
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Here is a find from the same spot that I found Nov. 2nd. This is a Trade Era Kaolin (china clay) pipe. I have dug these before but I usually don't find them in the river. This is broken, the stems are originally long. Indians however did intentionally break the stems to use as beads in a necklace and this was found just below an Indian site I am hunting.

I am trying to date this pipe. I know it is older because most in the 1800's were just molded heads with reed stems. This one has an older shaped bowl. I have a book titled "Indian Trade Relics" which has this exact pipe with the same bowl and elbow and it dates it to mid to late 1600's and another book dates it to exactly 1620. Both books state that it is European made, which the older ones are. Are there any pipe experts out there who would know the exact date of production? I hope the books are correct because that is very early for almost any trade relic around here (Kansas). That is between the time of The Spanish (Coronado) and the French fur traders. It sure does have the age, patina and wear on it to be from the 1600's.

I would greatly appreciate any feed back or knowledge anyone has on this pipe, thanks.
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This is an extinct Bison tooth
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I look forward to sharing treasures, finds, knowledge, ideas and having fun with all of you.

Thanks
Jim
 

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BOOTY HUNTER ,

Welcome !
That pipe looks french in style.
Is the stem broken off or smooth.
This style of pipe is still made today,
but has been around since the mid 1600s when tobacco started flowing across the Atlantic to Europe.
some of the earlier stems were made in one piece and were quite long to make for a cooler smoke.
They would get broken off and shortened as they traveled or got plugged.
Hope it helps,
Thom
 

Old Dog said:
BOOTY HUNTER ,

Welcome !
That pipe looks french in style.
Is the stem broken off or smooth.
This style of pipe is still made today,
but has been around since the mid 1600s when tobacco started flowing across the Atlantic to Europe.
some of the earlier stems were made in one piece and were quite long to make for a cooler smoke.
They would get broken off and shortened as they traveled or got plugged.
Hope it helps,
Thom

Hi and Thank You. The stem of the pipe I assume was longer but it is still long enough to use now if you had to. The stem is smooth but I am not sure if that is from being in the river for a long time or if it was made smooth or sanded smooth. I'm glad to know that it looks French in style because that makes sense for this area. Thanks a lot for the info.

Jim (BOOTY HUNTER)
 

the last pic is a horse tooth i am a equine dentist great finds
 

hey i would love to see another pic of the tooth if you could
 

haylen said:
the last pic is a horse tooth i am a equine dentist great finds
Hey thanks for the info. Give me a day or two to find it as I just moved and have to find the right box. If you are sure this is a horse tooth, please elaborate, especially on what kind and age of horse. I would like to know the specifics, ok. I will post pics of all angles as soon as I can (with other similar items). Again, Thanks for the info and I look forward to exchanging in the near future.
Thanks
Jim (BOOTY HUNTER)
 

can you get a close up of the bison tooth? great finds! am turning green
 

Cool finds BH. Welcome to T-Net. It is rare you see a complete pipe. I have only found pieces.
Have you checked out the indian artifacts forum here? It's the best there is. Post some pics there.
Randy
 

Sweet finds Jim....I think there are alot of us ks/mo guys that hunt these sand/rock bars.....they can be very productive for fossils and relics......About twenty years ago there was a "pigmy elephant hunter"(paleo-human) skull found under 7 hwy bridge over the kaw. It was dated to aprox. 14,000 BCE(before common era), knew of a student from KU that would come and walk the sandbars, he found a mammoth tusk! There were two brothers that would travel up and down the kaw on airboats(like the ones in FL) They had an AWESOME collection of ice age bones. They use to display them at the rock, gem, and mineral show here in KC. I have a few friends that still "hunt" and fish the Kaw.....Have you ever heard of "Treasure Island" on the Kaw??
 

Hey Jim, Have you heard of the "four houses" it was F. Chouteau's trading post, I believe.....that pipe may be related to that site......Love walking the sandbars :thumbsup: Keep at it :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 

Re: New Member, First Post, River Find Of Pipe (help date) Petrified Bone and Fl

I love it when the "big pictures" are posted. Helps us all to see more detail on the finds. Of course it could be because I have a fiber optic internet connection and download speed isn't an issue at our house ;D
 

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