NEWBIE HUNTS LOOMIS GANG HOMESTEAD AND BARN LOTS

bomber7777

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GARRETT 2500
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HI GUYS.........AND YES I DID GET PERMISSION AS IT TURNS OUT I ONLY LIVE HALF HOUR AWAY AND THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE LAND NOW (ONE FAMILY OWNS THE LAND THE BARN WAS ON, ONE FAMILY OWNS THE EMPTY HOMESTEAD SITE) ARE RELATED SO I WAS ALLOWED TO HUNT. BY THE TIME I GOT PERMISSION, TALKED TO A FEW PEOPLE WHO HAD STOPPED TO TALK (TOWNIES)---THEY HAD NEVER SEEN ANYONE GET PERMISSION TO HUNT BEFORE I ONLY HUNTED ABOUT 45 MINUTES...........THE OLD BARN FOUNDATION WAS FASCINATING THE FOUNDATION IS THERE BUT YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW IT, THE TREES AND VEGETATION HAS GROWN OVER THE FOUNDATION BUT THERE ARE INTERESTING ROCK FORMATIONS AND MY GARRETT 2500 WAS GIVING CRYSTAL CLEAR PINGS LIKE THERE WAS GOLD RINGS BUT WHEN I MOVED THE ROCK FORMATIONS THE PINGS STOPPED, THE ROCK FORMATIONS WERE OLD AND CLEARLY PUT THERE BY HUMANS......I FOUND A HORSE BIT, SOME OLD BOLTS AND MISC. IRON BUT WAS GETTING HITS ON DISCRIMATE COINS AND COULD NOT GET THE EXACT PLACING OF THE HITS..........REMEMBER I AM NEW..........BUT I WILL SAY THIS.............THERE IS CLEARLY OLD STUFF UNDERNEATH THE HOMESTEAD SITE AND THE BARN FOUNDATION............LOOKS LIKE KIDS HAVE BEEN PARTYING IN THE BARN FOUNDATION BUT NO VISIBLE SIGNS OF ANY DIGGING ANYWHERE..................I HAVE BEEN GIVEN PERMISSION TO GO BACK AND WANT TO BRING A VETERAN WITH ME AS I DID SEE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE QUITE INTERESTING ESPECIALLY THE SHALE ROCK MOUNTAIN BEHIND THE HOMESTEAD SITE, I DROVE TO THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN AND THE VIEW IS INCREDIBLE, I WILL BE POSTING PICS..........BUT CAN ANYONE HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY MY DETECTOR WAS TELLING ME THERE WAS GOLD, THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE........IF I WAS GOING TO BURY TREASURE BACK IN THE DAY, THIS BARN WOULD OF BEEN THE PLACE TO DO IT. RUMOR HAS IT THE GANG BURIED THEIR MONEY IN THE SWAMP NEARBY...........NO WAY, NO HOW, IF THERE IS TREASURE AND I MEAN THAT IS A BIG IF........IT IS NEAR THE BARN FOUNDATION MY DETECTOR WAS PINGING CLEAR AUDIBLE PINGS EVERY FEW FEET................ALL DIFFERENT THINGS..........I JUST RAN OUT OF TIME AND WANT TO BRING A MORE EXPERIENCED HUNTER NEXT TIME............I AM GOING BACK TOMORROW BUT IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED PLEASE PM ME........I CAN SET THIS UP BUT THEY ASKED ME NOT TO MAKE A HABIT OF IT SO I WANT TO MAKE THE TRIPS COUNT................SORRY I RAMBLED, A LITTLE EXCITED, A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED, BUT VERY CURIOUS.....
 

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They told me they never allow, the posted signs were every 10 ft, but when we chatted and got to know each other, turned out we had common relatives and they said what the heck.........great people..........people were actually stopping to chat and could not believe I was allowed to hunt, the sites are directly off the road the intersection of Loomis and Swamp Roads
 

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I gave it my best shot but I just can't bring myself to read that wall of capitalized text.
 

sorry about that, was excited telling the story that I did not even notice the text
 

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I gave it my best shot but I just can't bring myself to read that wall of capitalized text.

Agree, I can't read it with my old eyes.
 

PS040-D2.webp The Loomis Gang
Hey bomber,

I'd be reluctant to post directions to your sites, lest the owners be discomforted by a parade of itinerant detectorists.

"Violent death will come to anyone not of Loomis blood whoever has this farm." - GW Loomis, Halloween Night; 1865" Loomis gang.

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Depending on it's size gold will always read the same on any detector as something else in nature...aluminum, zinc pennies, small brass, bronze, buttons, tokens, pull tabs, hot rocks, metal foil, and any number of other things...the detector reads the conductivity of the object, not the content...some are better than others at identifying gold but none perfect at it.
 

junkshop........... My detector has never had readings like this ever around here........but when I moved these rock formations and put the detector back over the ground......nothing happened...........so are you saying you should dig everything up you hit............I skip the hits that my detector says is foil or iron usually..........but I kept getting these gold readings and size of rings all day at the loomis site.............it has never happened before and the detector is pretty accurate on other stuff
 

parsonwalker................I can honestly tell you that you do get a strange and scary feeling at this site.........his family cemetery is within seeing distance and this shale mountain in the background is rumored to have hidden caves........we shall see...........all I can tell you that my detector was going off like crazy and hard quick pings every few feet.......it was bizarre........should I videotape my hunt to document relics so they could be proven to be the loomis gangs?
 

junkshop........... My detector has never had readings like this ever around here........but when I moved these rock formations and put the detector back over the ground......nothing happened...........so are you saying you should dig everything up you hit............I skip the hits that my detector says is foil or iron usually..........but I kept getting these gold readings and size of rings all day at the loomis site.............it has never happened before and the detector is pretty accurate on other stuff

Yep, sad but true...If you want large gold coins/rings/jewelery you have to dig zinc penny and bottle cap signals...if you want medium sized gold coins/rings/jewelery you have to dig pull tabs, pop tops, and nickle signals, and if you want small gold coins/rings/jewelery you have to dig the foil signals...Copper and silver signals come in higher than a lot of the junk targets. Some hunters can't handle the sheer number of junk signal digs it requires to find gold items so they only dig copper/nickle clad coins and hope for some silver objects in the process...that's why beach hunting is so popular, more gold is lost in the water and on beaches from wet fingers, and the sand is much easier to recover good (and bad) targets from...if this wasn't true we'd all have lots more gold!!!!

P.S. you have an advantage with your 2500, you can choose not to dig some junk signals because of their size profile, the 2500 will tell you if they are too big for gold coins, rings, and jewelery...if your looking for large caches then you will have to dig even the large hits...best thing to do is learn your detector up, down, sideways, and backwards...someone else should chime in on this soon, they may have better advice, HH
 

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Organized Crime in 19th-Century Central New York

The center of Sangerfield lies at the crossroads of Route 20 and Route 12, about 42 miles west of Sharon Springs. The region was once a marshy area, part of what the Oneida Indians called Skawanis, the Great Swamp. It became known to non-Indians as Nine Mile Swamp. One family who lived on a hill in the swamp, some four miles to the southwest of the crossroads, knew the countryside’s firm ground and its dangerous places and used this knowledge to their advantage in hiding stolen goods. Known as the Loomis Gang, this crime syndicate – the largest in the nation in the mid-19th century – helped themselves to other people’s property in central New York.

George Washington Loomis, raised in Connecticut and having lived in Vermont before being chased by a posse across the border into New York for stealing horses, joined his sister Clarissa in Sangerfield in 1802. It was a time of population and economic growth on the western frontier. The Oneida Indians had been swindled out of most of their landholdings, allowing new development, and the Cherry Valley Turnpike was being expanded westward (see our earlier blog). The Loomis family had been a reputable aristocratic family in New England for generations, but George and his wife Rhoda Marie Mallet Loomis had a criminal bent and raised their ten children on their farmstead accordingly. Rhoda, whose father, an officer in the French Revolutionary prosecuted for embezzlement, reportedly informed her children, “You may steal, but if you are caught, you shall be whipped.”

George Washington Loomis, Jr., known as Wash, the second of six sons, became the ring leader under his parents’ tutelage. By all accounts he was sophisticated and well-dressed and had a way with words and a magnetic personality. To sharpen his criminal wits, Rhoda even arranged that Wash study in a law office. The third son, Grove, demonstrated great aptitude for his father’s specialty, stealing horses. The family recruited others besides their ten children to join in their criminal activities. Another one of Rhoda’s reported admonitions to her children and their trusted friends on leaving her home was, “Now don’t come back without stealing something, if it’s nothing but a jackknife.”

The Loomis Gang specialized in horse thievery and livestock rustling, but burgled homes as well and were even known to rob clotheslines. George, Sr., and his brothers Walter and Willard also became experts at counterfeiting money. For protection the Loomis Gang treated neighbors well and paid off local authorities. Those who opposed them were likely to lose their barns in fires. But gang members consistently had alibis. They also had funds to hire top lawyers to defend gang members or associates. With the growth of their criminal empire, their influence reportedly extended to state officials in Albany.

In 1848, with growing anger over the Loomis Gang’s continuing criminal reign, an armed party of locals raided the Loomis farm and found numerous stolen goods that had not yet been resold or moved to caches in the swamp. Through legal maneuvering gang members managed to avoid conviction. But, given the pressure and pending charges, Wash decided to leave town in early 1849, and charges against him were dropped in both Oneida and Madison Counties. It was the time of the California Gold Rush, and he headed westward to seek another kind of fortune. The family’s criminal activities slowed down for a time. Wash, with little success as a gold prospector, returned to central New York in late 1850 and picked up where he had left off. His father George, Sr., died the next year, but the family and far-flung associates continued to thrive. By 1860, the Loomis Gang reportedly had a network of criminal associates extending from the Canadian border to northern Pennsylvania, and from the Finger Lakes to southern Vermont.

During the Civil War, the Loomis Gang had a new outlet for stolen horses – the Union Army. On October 10, 1864, the Morrisville Courthouse containing indictments against the Loomis Gang, burned to the ground. Wash, who reportedly started the fire, showed up to offer his help in putting it out. On Halloween night, 1865, the Sangerfield Vigilantes Committee, including soldiers fresh from the war organized under the leadership of local constable in secret meetings at Waterville, raided the Loomis farm. In the fight that ensued, Wash was killed, his skull fractured. Another mob attacked the farm the next year, burning the house. After losing the farm to tax arrears soon afterward, Rhoda moved with two of her children – Denio and Cornelia – to Hastings, New York, some 70 miles away north of Syracuse.

Although some descendants of the criminal wing of the extended Loomis family proudly claim descent, others have tried to hide it. Among the Loomis descendants was the poet Ezra Pound (Ezra Weston Loomis Pound). Although raised in Philadelphia, where he attended the University of Pennsylvania, he transferred to Hamilton College (alma mater of blogger Carl) in Clinton, about 16 miles to the north of the former Loomis farm, studying there in 1903-05.

Stories and legends about the infamous Loomis Gang persist in central New York. Some of them have Wash Loomis’ ghost and those of other gang members haunting the Nine Mile Swamp countryside – much of it now drained and converted to farmlands. A road in the region, Loomis Road, bears the family name.
 

Congrats on permission thats not to far from me lol im searching a few legends myself
 

Maybe I didn't read the post correctly (?).........

you hit lots of targets but did not actually dig any of them?
 

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