North American celt?

[rockpassion]

Is this a north american celt or is it pre columbian or is it neolithic?

 

[Jatrox]

Yes it is. Where/How was it found? Some context can help with information

 

[rockpassion]

Yes it is. Where/How was it found? Some context can help with information

o cool, it comes from a private collection of axes. find location unknown. but it does contain yellow fine grained dessert sand.

 

[Jatrox]

So that makes it "a celt". With no provenance anything else is speculation. Celts are found worldwide

 

[rockpassion]

So that makes it "a celt". With no provenance anything else is speculation. Celts are found worldwide

i don't understand you said it was noth american based on the photo's?

 

[Jatrox]

Sorry for the confusion. I was saying, "Yes, it's a celt". Provenance would tell you where it's from, how/where it was found, etc...

Did the collector live in America? Did he travel or purchase abroad? Did he buy or find his artifacts? and so on... Need the info.

It could be NA or from anywhere else on earth at this point

 

[rockpassion]

Sorry for the confusion. I was saying, "Yes, it's a celt". Provenance would tell you where it's from, how/where it was found, etc...

Did the collector live in America? Did he travel or purchase abroad? Did he buy or find his artifacts? and so on... Need the info.

It could be NA or from anywhere else on earth at this point

ok i understand

 

[CreekSide]

Field find

 

[rockpassion]

Field find

dessert find i think judging by the type of sand on it. it is yellow orange sand.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

With out the providence on it no way to know where. Did he only collect from states? You could try taking it to university geology dept and see if someone could identify the sand type.

 

[CreekSide]

dessert find i think judging by the type of sand on it. it is yellow orange sand.

Plenty of orange dirt/sand in Georgia

 

[ToddsPoint]

It has a lot more polish than most Midwest celts I’ve seen. A friend of mine traveled to Thailand then went into Laos. He purchased a dozen celts there and brought them back. Many of them looked exactly like celts from the Midwest.

 

[rockpassion]

Sorry for the confusion. I was saying, "Yes, it's a celt". Provenance would tell you where it's from, how/where it was found, etc...

Did the collector live in America? Did he travel or purchase abroad? Did he buy or find his artifacts? and so on... Need the info.

It could be NA or from anywhere else on earth at this point

Hello, do you know if this celt is neolithic?

 

[Jatrox]

There is no way to put an age on it without the context of the find. And even then it would be a reasonable guess because that's just where it was found. It could have been used for hundreds of years?? The experts say that celts in general date back to 10,000 BP (early Holocene) and ground celts are 8,500-600 years before present in NA. As Treasure Hunter said above, a test of the dirt/sand could maybe tell you the area it was found but that still won't give you a date. And all this is only applicable if it is North American (this is where you say, "If only it could talk")

 

[rockpassion]

There is no way to put an age on it without the context of the find. And even then it would be a reasonable guess because that's just where it was found. It could have been used for hundreds of years?? The experts say that celts in general date back to 10,000 BP (early Holocene) and ground celts are 8,500-600 years before present in NA. As Treasure Hunter said above, a test of the dirt/sand could maybe tell you the area it was found but that still won't give you a date. And all this is only applicable if it is North American (this is where you say, "If only it could talk")

oke i understand, so i have got an old celt without provenance.

 

[Jatrox]

Yeah unfortunately rocks cannot be dated so without at least part of the history there is nothing to piece together. All lithic material is that way. It is a cool piece. You could research celts and compare yours to others but again, that's still speculative. Maybe take it to an artifact show and get others opinions also? There is a big difference in looking at a picture and having it in hand

 

[Tesorodeoro]

I’ve got a similar “Celt” that was gifted by a neighbor that said it was found in Northern California. There are numerous summer camps there. This would be similar to a small hatchet in today’s terms, but I have no idea how it would have been securely lashed to a handle.

Similar hard greenstone.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

I feel like the amount of effort put into this, made it a very special heirloom. Only responsible people of honor could be trusted to use it without hitting a rock and ruining the edge. Maybe I’m over exaggerating things, but my kids wouldn’t be allowed to touch it, I know that much.

I’m not sure how many people have found anything similar in Northern California. None in the local museums far as I have seen.

 

[rockpassion]

I feel like the amount of effort put into this, made it a very special heirloom. Only responsible people of honor could be trusted to use it without hitting a rock and ruining the edge. Maybe I’m over exaggerating things, but my kids wouldn’t be allowed to touch it, I know that much.

I’m not sure how many people have found anything similar in Northern California. None in the local museums far as I have seen.

thanks for the photo, and yes they are pretty special items. i love the yuotube channel relic hunting for spearheads and celts and other.

 

[ToddsPoint]

This would be similar to a small hatchet in today’s terms, but I have no idea how it would have been securely lashed to a handle.

This is how celts were hafted, and why it was such a big improvement over grooved axes. No lashing is necessary. The more you use it, the tighter it gets. The celt will split the wood if it’s too tight on the sides. Top and bottom is where you want the most contact. I made this celt from diabase, the handle is ash.