October digs in Spookyville, USA update 10-29 1805 small 5 stems , it is

[CMDiamonddawg]

Hi , T Net diggers , Late October is a great time to search , especially when the ground is soaked and the temps are still in the seventies . Colonial ghosts from days gone by haunt these old sites , an eerie laughter and shadows are in these woods today . I sense evil as I unpack my gear Just so happens , I ain't 'fraid of no ghost ... I want their lost coins . I went to the old 1700's home site . This was the site that had been pounded by a few of the seasoned TH ,ers and it was obvious , just a few buttons after an hour. I dug this harmonica reed out of an old root in the ground , took the whole piece because of it's coolness 8) 8) Finds were far and in between I called ol John who is familiar with this site and he advised me to cross the road directly in front of this place . Within minutes I was on the right track as the pics show . The large cent has a bust facing left and is smooth ,quite certain it is early US . Actually turns out to be 1817 Matron head large cent. Soaked the copper finds a minute in hot peroxide . . The half cent turned out to be an 1805 ,small 5 . I checked this coin at the PCGS website and saw that 81,000 + were minted , estimated 125 survivors and a variety with stems existed but were very rare { 16 in the graded population }. Before I cleaned the , crusty thin dirt layered shell, off the back I chipped a piece near the one over a two hundred fraction and spotted the stem . What a great feeling and a chance to get some hunting in without all the high heat , and tall weeds covered in blood sucking parasites and venomous spiders :P . Also found some flat buttons , assortment of wheaties and two indians . UPDATE; 10-29-10 bathed the half cent ... see new pictures , definitely , STEMS !! This Tuesday, I will get a pro verification but it seems right Opinions wanted . Thanks for stopping in and Best late October " Halloween Hunting " to All d aWg

 

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[umrgolf]

Re: October digs in Spookyville , USA

Nice digs, and nice pics. Love them coppers!

Steve

Recently cleaned up the 1805 ..feel certain it is a key small 5 , stem variety . 16 in graded population . Thanks for your comment Steve

breakin my stones little half sister coppers never get respect

new pics please

This is the best graded example . Last two pics are the new ones ..best I could do ...I'll try again

I see the small 5 on the new pics, stem is hard to see

I see it, I see it

killin' me little half sister coppers are never worthy of respect and I am using a tripod from now on my blurry close ups Tigers / Cornhuskers

what copper? GO MIZZOUUUUUUUU

 

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[ddjames]

Incredible finds. Thanks for the photos

 

[{Sentinel}]

Man, I just got to say again that is one beautiful half cent!!! Definitely Banner Worthy!! I'd like to see it up there personally!

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

Man, I just got to say again that is one beautiful half cent!!! Definitely Banner Worthy!! I'd like to see it up there personally!

Never happen but Thanks Josh ... I still feel lucky , maybe a Liberty Cap tomorrow

 

[steelheadwill]

Sure is the Hi $$ variety!
Congrats! Sure they'res more round there!

 

[Don in SJ]

Two 1805 varieties with small 5 and stems

I think hearing a scream in the woods while bow hunting as dusk approaches in October, all I can ever think of is the"Jersey Devil"

OK, now to your Half Cent, I wish I could say it is the Very Rare Cohen 2 variety, but it seems more likely it is the Very Scarce variety Cohen 3. Both varieties share the same Obverse side, so the only way to tell the difference is by what is on the Reverse. Well, they both have stems, so that don't help determine, that just means it is either a Cohen 2 or Cohen 3. So what to look for next is IF you can see the letter T in CENT, if the right foot of T is not covered by the leaf, than it is a Very Rare Cohen 2, and if the berry next to the letter T in CENT is low & further away compared to the other 1805 Reverses then it is a Cohen 2. But, if the T right foot is covered by the leaf, it is a Cohen 3.

What I see on your Obverse that leads me to think it is the Cohen 3 Very Scarce variety is a bulge in front of the face, I believe that is present on all Cohen 3s.

Since I can't seen the words CENT I cannot tell for sure, but it sure does look like a bulge on the Obverse, very similar to the attached PCGS sample.

https://www.scoins.com/ViewLot.aspx?LotId=20981 (you can select "previous" to see the Cohen 2 example and compare)

Sure would be nice if it was a Cohen 2, but be prepared if you get an "expert" to look at it for him to possibly say it is a Cohen 3 instead.

Don

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

Re: Two 1805 varieties with small 5 and stems

I think hearing a scream in the woods while bow hunting as dusk approaches in October, all I can ever think of is the"Jersey Devil"

OK, now to your Half Cent, I wish I could say it is the Very Rare Cohen 2 variety, but it seems more likely it is the Very Scarce variety Cohen 3. Both varieties share the same Obverse side, so the only way to tell the difference is by what is on the Reverse. Well, they both have stems, so that don't help determine, that just means it is either a Cohen 2 or Cohen 3. So what to look for next is IF you can see the letter T in CENT, if the right foot of T is not covered by the leaf, than it is a Very Rare Cohen 2, and if the berry next to the letter T in CENT is low & further away compared to the other 1805 Reverses then it is a Cohen 2. But, if the T right foot is covered by the leaf, it is a Cohen 3.

What I see on your Obverse that leads me to think it is the Cohen 3 Very Scarce variety is a bulge in front of the face, I believe that is present on all Cohen 3s.

Since I can't seen the words CENT I cannot tell for sure, but it sure does look like a bulge on the Obverse, very similar to the attached PCGS sample.

https://www.scoins.com/ViewLot.aspx?LotId=20981 (you can select "previous" to see the Cohen 2 example and compare)

Sure would be nice if it was a Cohen 2, but be prepared if you get an "expert" to look at it for him to possibly say it is a Cohen 3 instead.

Don

Thanks for the link Don , excellent explanation of differences ,as always . I used a loop and a magnifying glass the TOP of the letter letter T is visible , the foot to the right is too worn to see if the leaf covers it ... the berry, is lower, than the attached C3 ...what PCGS is calling the grotesque bulge on obverse seems to be the same as the previous C2 obverse and the C3 , bulge is readily seen and exists on this half cent . . Considering it was buried for maybe two centuries this one held up great .. I'll say C2 . Either one is a once in a lifetime find. Thank you , d aWg

 

[Don in SJ]

Dawg, if you say it has the bulge than it is a no doubt about it a C3, you misread the C2, the description is for Lot 176 the C3. C2 does not have the bulge. This statement is rather convincing:

[i]"A grotesque die bulge in front of the face can't be mistaken for anything other than C-3", [/i]

As far as the berry looking lower, yes they all are lower but the C2 on is slightly further and furhter away, hard to say on that one without good condition. I have a C1 and C4 in very good condition, the C1 was easy to ID, since it had no stems, but the C4, I struggled awhile back, since had trouble with determining for sure the large 5 or not till I cleaned that area a tad better, I was not sure if I had a C3 or C4 but ended up being a C4.

I looked through Heritage Auction archives, quite a few C-3s but C-2 was almost nil, and the one I saw was in great shape and you could buy a car with it.

Don

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

Dawg, if you say it has the bulge than it is a no doubt about it a C3, you misread the C2, the description is for Lot 176 the C3. C2 does not have the bulge. This statement is rather convincing:

[i]"A grotesque die bulge in front of the face can't be mistaken for anything other than C-3", [/i]

As far as the berry looking lower, yes they all are lower but the C2 on is slightly further and furhter away, hard to say on that one without good condition. I have a C1 and C4 in very good condition, the C1 was easy to ID, since it had no stems, but the C4, I struggled awhile back, since had trouble with determining for sure the large 5 or not till I cleaned that area a tad better, I was not sure if I had a C3 or C4 but ended up being a C4.

I looked through Heritage Auction archives, quite a few C-3s but C-2 was almost nil, and the one I saw was in great shape and you could buy a car with it.

Don

I' ll take another look .. more than likely correct . Definite "grotesque bulge " My example picture must also be a C3 . There is the same "grotesque bulge" ,on that one . I thought I leaped into rarity with stems still I am very lucky to get any half cents , a very scarce one works for me . It is still an 1805 small 5 with stems , that alone makes this Halloween even more frightening and " grotesque" ..I like that word esp. on Halloween . Thanks Don Beware; the Jersey Devil is still out there late October . d aWg

 

[wvrick]

Really Nice Find!!!!!

 

[Erik in NJ]

Just wanted to say that's a really nice bunch of finds!!!!