✅ SOLVED Old Coin ID Help

[winslow]

I got ambitious and decided to tumble some of my cruddy coins and knick-knacks that I found in England last year that were totally encrusted, unidentifiable and uncleanable in a traditional manner. Most of the coins ended up being blank discs but there were certainly some surprises. I've since determined that the pictured half penny is a Tradesman token with a date of 1667. Can't make out the merchant name. If you care to guess please do so. Cool find from the tumbler!

I really don't have a clue about the other coin. It's thin enough to be considered hammered but I did have it in the tumbler for about 6 hours. Any ideas are very welcome.

By the way .. the tumbling process really worked well on some of non coin items such as watch winders and I had 4 toy cannons that look one heck of a lot better as well.

 

[kingskid1611]

I think they came out good. But I couldn't begin to guess.

 

[Bramblefind]

Neat finds! The first is a King Charles II jeton like this:

Nuremberg Jeton of Conrad Lauffer - UK Finds Database -

The only illustration I could find of the trade token is the plate in the Boyne book. It looks like it is of James Knowsley of Chester. Here is a description:

 

[Mackaydon]

The other 'coin', I believe, is a 'counter'.
The legend may have read: "Counters Conr. Lauffers Rech Pfening"
The obverse would read: Carolus II DG. Mag. Br. Fra et Hib Rex.
Don......

 

[Mackaydon]

Conrad Lauffer was a counter-manufacturer at Nuremberg, during the third quarter of the 17thC. In 1670 he received special permission to strkeCounters for games and 'reckoning'.These often bore the bust of European monarchs--such as the OP's counter.
Don........

 

[Mackaydon]

Those three objects in the Chester crest are called 'garbs'; sheaves--or bundles--of wheat.
Admittedly, I first thought they ware chess pawns.
Don......

 

[winslow]

Wow Bramblefin ... you and Mackeydon nailed it. I was researching coins so no wonder I was at a dead end! Interesting that the Jeton was made in Germany.

 

[Bruce R]

Could you explain the tumbling process ? I'm in the middle of building one, Thanx