✅ SOLVED Possible gate valve and saddle part

[invent4hir]

All, please help ID and date the 2 finds shown below. They were found near the site of a former textile mill built in the early 1800s and wiped out by a flood in 1847. According to the history book, the mill never converted from water to steam power. Some late 1800s artifacts were also found in the area. So either they were lost by someone on site after the mill’s destruction or they came down the mill race (that survived until at least 1925). Therefore the 2 finds in question could date during or after the mill. My guess as to the ID, the dimensions, and any markings found are listed. Thanks-in-advance for helping, as both will be donated to a local historical society for a display.

1. Brass “Hays” valve: See photos 1-5. Overall dimensions are 2 ½” L by 2 1/8” H. The hex end is 1 3/8” while the I.D. is 7/8”. “Hays” logo appears on both sides. It looks similar to the gate valve on the internet at https://picclick.com/Vintage-CRANE-150-Gate-Valve-BRASS-Steam-Punk-153058880568.html. I contacted the Hays Fluid Controls but have not received a reply. I was hoping they could date it based on the logo.

2. Brass saddle part(?): See photos 6-10. Overall dimensions are 5” L by ½” W by ½” H. This find really has me stumped. The pair of washers on the broken center rivet looks like something (perhaps leather) was once between them. I looked at a diagram of a western saddle but didn’t find anything close.

 

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[creskol]

The long piece is part of .. the bottom leaf .. of a leaf spring

 

[cactusrat]

Top photo is a ball valve with the valve missing. Gate valve will have a groove for the gate (pancake) to travel threw.

No ideal on second photo.

 

[Tpmetal]

Top photo is a ball valve with the valve missing. Gate valve will have a groove for the gate (pancake) to travel threw.

No ideal on second photo.

yes

 

[50bmg]

I say the top pics are of a older solenoid control valve, due to the seat design,restricted feed and supply ports and the external threading for the top, ball valve and gate valves a usually internal threads for the top caps

 

[firemanphob]

Actually, the valve is a globe valve. It is used to control flow where a gate valve is more for open/close. A ball valve has a ball in it with a hole that runs through it and revolves to open and close. the bottom piece looks like the bracket to hold a manway in the side of a vessel of some sort.

 

[invent4hir]

All, thanks for all the inputs on IDs. Any idea about how old the valve is?

Creskol, I think find #2 is too thin for a leaf spring (it is only 1/16" thick; the 1/2" includes the rivet). Firemanphob, I'll have to give the bracket suggestion some thought...