Possible scraper I'd please

[Dirttrax]

Is this a thumb scraper tool or just wishful thinking, thanks.

 

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[1320]

As usual a bunch of lip flapping and no examples of any you have found. Go pick a fight some place else.

Not picking a fight, just respectfully asking for different angles of your artifacts to convince myself (and others) that they are truly spokeshaves. Here's your chance to punch me in the nose....lol.

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

Remember our rules......

Here is picture from Overstreet on spokeshave.

 

[1320]

Grim has a nice frame of spokeshaves...I'll see if I can track it down. Perfect example above. It's easy to mistake a piece of flint with a C shaped curve in it for a spokeshave, there are tons of them out there. What's needed to give it the stamp of approval is the secondary flaking and use wear. The size of the "C shape" is also diagnostic.

 

[1320]

Found it....thanks Grim!

 

[rock]

Here is my best one I have ever found. Not all of them are pretty by the way.

 

[1320]

Here is my best one I have ever found. Not all of them are pretty by the way.

No doubt this is a worked piece.

 

[quito]

Hmmm.

Sure looks to me like a piece that suffered tip damage, then the stem was maybe used as a spoke shave............... Is that your take rock?

I say that because I don't see the secondary flaking 1320 mentioned inside the obvious C that you normally see in a spoke shave on that piece. Every spoke shave I have seen either shows that flaking, AND OR, SOMETIMES high polish showing use wear.

 

[quito]

Here are a couple spoke shaves I had handy. First one is a rare find for me since it’s obsidian. I’ve only found two pieces of it both are small like this but each show secondary flaking like this.

Thi I just another simple example of the secondary flaking.

 

[1320]

Hmmm.

Sure looks to me like a piece that suffered tip damage, then the stem was maybe used as a spoke shave............... Is that your take rock?

I say that because I don't see the secondary flaking 1320 mentioned inside the obvious C that you normally see in a spoke shave on that piece. Every spoke shave I have seen either shows that flaking, AND OR, SOMETIMES high polish showing use wear.

Thank you!

 

[quito]

Stick with us rock. We are trying to help not fight or argue.

 

[rock]

Here are a couple spoke shaves I had handy. First one is a rare find for me since it’s obsidian. I’ve only found two pieces of it both are small like this but each show secondary flaking like this.
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Thi I just another simple example of the secondary flaking.
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Nice scrapers

 

[rock]

Grim has a nice frame of spokeshaves...I'll see if I can track it down. Perfect example above. It's easy to mistake a piece of flint with a C shaped curve in it for a spokeshave, there are tons of them out there. What's needed to give it the stamp of approval is the secondary flaking and use wear. The size of the "C shape" is also diagnostic.

He does where is yours? Cant find noting sitting on the couch and its very hard to learn from pictures.

 

[quito]

Nice scrapers

Well i guess they are a form of scraper rock, good call!!

Would you mind answering my simple question from a couple posts ago about your broken stemmed piece you identified as a spoke shave?

We don't want to be giving out bad information here do we?

Lets figure this out rock, you don't need be so offended just because someone questions an opinion or claim you or anyone else makes.

 

[quito]

Nice examples of spokeshaves rock, I have a couple of quartz ones I might post later for examples.

Since you did offer, I too would sure like to see your examples Peaches.

 

[rock]

No Im done responding to this I dont want to be accused of hijacking a "New" members post

 

[dognose]

A flake tool is a flake which has been chipped to be utilized as a scraper, a burin or a spoke shave.

A spoke shave is an area on a point or flake, chipped into a semi circular area thought to be utilized as a shaft scraper or a scrapper for other circular objects.

A spokeshave sometimes may be confused with damage on a relic, but under close examination is intentionally chipped into a relic.

Often a spoke shave will be chipped from one side only, similar to an archaic bevel. As opposed to a biface type of chipping which results in an edge in the middle.

This is a point I found in the 1970's in Missouri along the Meramec River.



Here you can see that the spoke shave was chipped from only one side of the relic, with the end result the edge is not in the center, but on one edge. The knapping would have been done holding the point upside down to how is pictured here. I photographed it like this to better show the spoke shave bevel.

 

[sawmill man]

Now that is a nice piece ,dognose, i almost believe i have one close to that somewhere. thanks for posting that.

 

[quito]

Dang! That is sweet!

No doubt about out that one.

Great post! Very informative.

 

[quito]

No Im done responding to this I dont want to be accused of hijacking a "New" members post

Lol, I understand completely rock!

Keep in mind, he did ask to be educated on spokeshaves. Some are just trying to clear things up for him since some of the examples weren’t so clear.

 

[dognose]

Here are two more points with spoke shaves. The pink point is unique in that it has two spoke shaves chipped into it, one on each side of the blade.

I have more I will pull out and take photos of. These were also found in the same large field as the above I found in the 1970's in Missouri along the Meramec River.

A spoke shave can also be differentiated from a brake which may imitate a spoke shave from secondary chipping inside the spoke shave area. See the two images with arrows pointing to the additional secondary chipping.

The white point is 2 1/2 inches in length x 1 1/4 inches in the widest, the pink point is 3 5/8 inches in length x 1 3/4 inches wide. Both are made of crescent quarry chert, the pink heat treated.The crescent quarry were approximately 5 miles from this field.