Pre-Clovis points in Oregon

[ShortLobster]

This paper reports stemmed points in Oregon dating to 15,785 years BP.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.ade1248

Very nice color photos as well.

EDIT: This site is in Idaho, not Oregon

 

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The points have an Adena look. The material is all over the place.

 

[DeepSouthArtifacts]

The Stratigraphic model shown just seems odd to me. I’d like to see pictures of the 10,000 year old artifacts they found right under the “20th century” layer. These points remind me of an Adena/Guilford style. No doubt they were very deep though.

 

[yakker]

I just scanned (too quickly, but I don't have time right now) an article suggesting that the oldest known tools in America are in Idaho. Any thoughts?? Must run, but will be back later or tomorrow.

Spear tips found in Idaho may be the oldest stone tools in America

No matter who you are, your family left somewhere else to arrive here in America. And that’s always been one of our key ingredients. We’re the place so many have come for a shot at something better, from the very beginning, and this still goes on...

www.dailykos.com

 

[ShortLobster]

I just scanned (too quickly, but I don't have time right now) an article suggesting that the oldest known tools in America are in Idaho. Any thoughts?? Must run, but will be back later or tomorrow.

Spear tips found in Idaho may be the oldest stone tools in America

No matter who you are, your family left somewhere else to arrive here in America. And that’s always been one of our key ingredients. We’re the place so many have come for a shot at something better, from the very beginning, and this still goes on...

www.dailykos.com

My title above is inaccurate, I should have said the location is in Idaho. The article in the link you posted is about the same study.

The inference that the same cultural group (Nez Perce) has persisted in the same location for 16000 years isn't in the original study. While possible, that would require some evidence.

 

[unclemac]

the styles sure seem off for that age determination. I read this article a few days ago with some healthy skepticism. Especially that point lower right corner. I have found points made from all those materials, so that fits, the point styles too are local, but the age? And suggesting the Nez Pierce are the aboriginal people to inhabit the area is sloppy reporting at best.

 

[Tdog]

Those stemmed pieces (like the lower right) look similar to a Texas member's finds (garscale) he refers to as "sloth slayers". I believe he found them below the Clovis layer with his digging machine--literally!

I just searched and found a post of his...

Deep Dug East Tx Paleo

The fabled SlothSlayer. I dug these out of the clay. Many were 12 to 15ft deep. Enjoy

www.treasurenet.com

 

[DeepSouthArtifacts]

Those stemmed pieces (like the lower right) look similar to a Texas member's finds (garscale) he refers to as "sloth slayers". I believe he found them below the Clovis layer with his digging machine--literally!

I just searched and found a post of his...

Deep Dug East Tx Paleo

The fabled SlothSlayer. I dug these out of the clay. Many were 12 to 15ft deep. Enjoy

www.treasurenet.com

That’s what I thought as well. Almost looks identical to a Texas Adena.

 

[yakker]

My title above is inaccurate, I should have said the location is in Idaho. The article in the link you posted is about the same study.

The inference that the same cultural group (Nez Perce) has persisted in the same location for 16000 years isn't in the original study. While possible, that would require some evidence.

Damn. If I'd had the time, I'd have read your link. Sorry for the rendundency.