Pressure flaking a point- start to finish.

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Here's the process, I cheated some though. I was going to go through from the cobble, to the spaul, to the percussion flaking and then the pressure flaking but after digging around in my bag of flintknapping material I found I didn't have a lot of good material left. Furthermore I had already knapped all the big stuff into preforms- had some Dacite, quartzite, and noviculite pieces but nothing really nice so... I thought I could at least demonstrate part of the process- the pressure flaking. I used a pre cut slab (cheating) the end result is the same it just saves A LOT of time in trying to spaul a decent piece. Hope you guys aren't too disappointed - First picture is my tool kit, two antlers, a rock for percussion flaking and grinding, and a piece of leather.
 

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You're not making me mad at all. I didn't say that everything the guy said wasn't valid- I'm sure some was but not as a sweeping statement that all plains tribes used mostly bone/antler points and just used stone ones if they found them. That's simply not the case, we know they did use stone, and bone/antler. You also have to take into consideration that this man may have interviewed some of the old timers but I don't believe that you can take the statements from the interviews of one or two generations from a couple of tribes and say that's how it was for all the tribes for the past two hundred years. I guess I don't know enough about the guy, I've never read any of his interviews but none the less there are plenty of documented cases of stone points being used well into the nineteenth century.
 

I agree that is a pretty broad statement. It seems like when the hopewell thing broke down, and tribes that lived in areas without good materials and unable to trade or travel to places that had them, might start using bone to make
arrow and spear points.
bm
 

In my opinion the use of bone/antler for making points and other tools was probably unrelated to decline of the hopewell culture. The only reason I say that is because bone and antler points and tools of various types have been recorded and dated from most if not all major time periods both before and after the advent of Hopewell culture. While it is true that the Hopewell culture truly flourished in terms of trade it was mostly trade in exotic goods. Often times at Hopewell culture sites we will find items/materials a long way from home like sea shells in the Ohio river valley and copper in the deep south. Materials for making stone points are spread far and wide and even if you live a long ways away from a source material you're probably still only talking a hundred miles or less. So while the Hopewell culture did a lot of trade I doubt that any tribe depended upon it as it's sole source of lithic material. I think that perhaps an exception to this might be a particularly beautiful or highly sought after material. For instance here in Wisconsin I found a previously unrecorded classic Hopewell site, a bit farther north than what we would expect if you look at the text books, but a classic site none the less, complete with raised garden beds, snyders blades, chunky stones, etc... and do you know what else I found at that site, two flakes of black obsidian. I also found one piece of knife river chalcedony. Both exotic materials and a long ways away from where you would expect to find them, but, the Native population in this area by no means relied upon trade with this Hopewell culture village to provide lithic material, otherwise I could expect to find at least several obsidian and knife river points/knives/tools but I don't. There's no doubt in my mind that when these things were brought into this area that they would have been eagerly traded for but the Native sources of lithic material would still have dominated the market so to speak.
 

Hi bean man, thanks for the comments about "Little big Horn".... I am still learning lots here...... But now I am confused ??? If the indians made their arrows/spears from bone etc.... who the hell made theirs from stone ::) or am I lost in your words somewhere? ;D I have been reading from all the writers here about the arrow points coming from the indians (at least I think)...... Make this easy for a non-American :o And what is a "classis hopewell site"?

This is a great topic guys, keep up the good work.

God bless
Peter
 

Pgill, The Native Americans used bone and antler to make arrowheads sometimes, most of the time they used stone but sometimes they used other materials also, bone, copper, gar scales I even found out. The Hopewell culture is simply a particular time period/group that had a very well defined "style" about them and are pretty easy to identify by what artifacts you find. When I say I found a classic Hopewell culture site I just meant that I found many of the artifacts that were fairly unique to the Hopewell culture. Sorry, wish I could explain it better for you. If you look on the internet though and do a search of Hopewell culture you'll come up with more information that you could ever read.
 

I'm sorry if I confused you Pete, I'm just tiring to figure this stuff out too. Here in Iowa the bow started being used
around 500 a.d. At the same time the natives became farmers first, hunter gather second rather then the other way around. Advances in pottery and weapons did occur at this time but bad things also begin to happen. Nutritional and
dental deficiencies increased as did populations and violence. More in some places then others, big changes where
happening across North America.
 

bean man, they were hunter gatherers first, agriculture, the bow and arrow, and pottery were all "invented" around the same time period (early woodland) for the fisrt 7-8,000 years of Iowa history the Natives hunted and gathered for sustinance. It's true that it was a time of big changes across the country, and it's true that it happened at slightly different times depending on where you are but the farmers first and hunters later is wrong.

Here's a link that talks about the early woodland period and the advent of pottery
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/minnesota/taxonomy/patterns/earlywoodland.html

Prior to the invention of the bow and arrow hunting was conducted with atl-atls.
 

Awesome job Cannon! I was raised in Siskiyou county California & we found many, many, many arrowheads as kids. The natives used obsidian (black glass, sharper than surgical steel) to make their points & there was large chunks of the stuff all over. I wish i was still in the area, Id love to put a large chunk in a box & mail it to you to see what you could do with the stuff! Keep chippin away, you're doin a great job!
 

Mighty AP, thanks- I gotta keep practicing- get to be as good as some of these guys I see on the net. I wish you still lived there to!! I have to pay a good price to get that stuff shipped to my house. I just put an order in for some materials the other day, including some obsidian... wife is gonna kill me when she sees the bill.
 

Hi Cannon,
I really don't know. I'm just going by a book I have titled Iowa's Archaeological Past. It is suppose to be one of the
best on the subject. What do you believe is the time of these events?
bm
 

bean man, no, the time you mentioned (about 500 AD) is just fine- I agree on that, it was a major time of change and a time when many new technologies appear in the archaeological record, I was just saying that BEFORE that time period the Native population lived on hunting and gathering/fishing. You were saying that they were farmers first and later became hunter gathers but in reality they were always hunters and gatherers both before and even after the advent of agriculture. Agriculture greatly increased the ability to maintain higher population concentrations and it took some of the pressure off of the necessity to hunt. This is why this is also the first period of time where we find an explosion of non-utilitarian type artifacts, they had more "free time" to pursue art and to specialize in certain things. Prior to the Early Woodland period almost all the artifacts that we find were made and needed/used. Durring and after the Early Woodland period we start finding "ceremonial" items as well as artifacts that were more artistic. We see an influx of non-needed type things like beads, carvings, effigies, etc. and I believe this is a direct consequence of the inventions of the Early Woodland period.
 

I'm sorry, I'm not very good with my words. This is the first forum I have ever done. What I was trying to say was
the point where the hunter gather who farms a little becomes a village farmer who still hunts and gathers. That
transition appears to have been a rough one world wide.
bm
 

Thanks guys for the answers..... wow you chaps have really gone deep into this subject. I have been looking on the net to find some pictures of points from SA, and there are not many places (3 places) where points made of stone were found. I think most of ours were made of iron, and of course iron rusts away... so unless I find a cave with some iron points... I just am not going to find :o

God bless
Peter
 

Okay bm I admit it, I don't understand what you're trying to say. To me a farmer who hunts and gathers and a hunter gatherer who farms is the same thing. I think that perhaps you are eluding to the population growth during the later Mississippian period where we have the development of city states? Don't get me wrong here, the invention of pottery, agriculture, etc. during the Early Woodland undoubtedly sparked the population growth rates but the archaeological record of the time doesn't suggest that there was any explosion of new or really larger villages right away. The first impact that the new technologies of the Early Woodland period seem to have made was that village sites became more permanent (as well as the increase of artistic and ceramonial type artifacts). As time went on over the next roughly thousand years we see a continuous increase of population in terms of not just numbers but also the density, culminating with the appearance (and disappearance) of the large mound complexes and their city states. I don't know if it was really a rough transition- we see evidence for many of the same problems that any culture faces as it grows. Was their more disease? Of course, any time you increase the density of a population you increase the possibilities for the spread of disease. Was there warfare at the time, yes, but there had been fighting amongst different tribes for thousands of years, the increase of population density did two things in respect for warfare: One: A larger population density (like a city state) requires more resources and securing those resources would easily lead to some bully tactics by the city state on the surrounding area. Two: It just made what had been going on for a long time into a larger scale. I mean there had been "wars" between tribes for a long time but now rather than a village vs. another village for hunting rights to a certain area or a certain resource we have large villages or city states vs others for control of not just one resource but entire regions. I guess that there was some interesting things that happened during the transition from the archaic period of just hunting and gathering (no farming bm) to the later civilizations of the city states but I don't think that it was anything we wouldn't expect to see. I almost got the impression that you felt as though the transition from hunter gatherers to the more permanent farming villages was particularly brutal/bad. I don't think that it was, the Natives lives at about 1000 AD would have been dramatically better than that of the same person(s) living in say 5000 BC (maybe better isn't a good word but easier for sure) Just the fact that these later peoples like those at Cahokia had so much more time to produce wonderful artistic and ceremonial type things vs. there ancestors who had little time to do anything but survive from season to season, always on the move to exploit the next available resource is testimony to this. As far as your statement about an increase in nutritional deficiencies with the advent of larger more permanent villages... I guess I'm just not aware of any evidence in this, I would think that if you have one style of living that involves certain foods and then you invent something new (agriculture) by which means you have only added to your diet with a wider variety of foods you would think the nutritional thing would be just the opposite. I don't know.
 

I would take the 1000 AD- much more security, you could still hunt all that you wanted to but your life wouldn't depend on it so much. Bigger variety of food, better trade goods, free time to carve a pipe, ..... and go hunting.
 

Re: Pressure flaking a point- start to finish. UPDATE My sons first arrowhead

Well, not perfect but pretty cool eh??! I made one and he made one, can you guess who made what? (he's 10 and this was his first ever point start to finish)
 

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Good stuff! Nice hobby to pass along.
 

Cman17

I think you made the black one and he made the white(clear) one. Good job to you both. Thank you for sharing your expertise.

GabbyGEP(Gaylord)
 

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