Question on home protection firearms

[fish1on]

Back on topic.

Fish1on, don't forget to figure out how to store your house gun. After all you don't want a burglar to just find it and shoot you. Its all a compromise, you need to be accessible, you also need to deny others access.

That is great advice, thank you

 

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[Escape]

“ The other category are those who carry because it makes them feel powerful and brave. You have an edge on everyone you see or meet. Powerful stuff. The root is a feeling of powerlessness and fear and this is a way to compensate. (Again its a category that some people fall into. Not everyone who carries falls into this category.)

 

[Hubbard]

I suggest an alarm system sign in your yard, a conceal carry class, and handgun in 9mm. For the wife, you might want to consider a revolver in .357 in which she can shoot .38.

The rule of 3's is that a home invasion encounter last 3 seconds from 3 feet in which 3 shots are fired.

 

[Hubbard]

You should be more afraid of a house fire or slipping in the bath tub and cracking your skull then a burglar entering your house and shooting you. This is all fear based. People are afraid and their is always someone to tell you why you should be scared. (Not saying that everyone who carries falls into that category, but it is a category with a significant number of people.)

Statistically, you are correct for the general population.

I would add that not everyone's circumstance is the general circumstance. I would also add that why not be prepared for all three?

It is like wearing a seat belt. I don't drive in fear but in respect of the consequences of not being prepared and having by seat belt on when I need it.

 

[Terry Soloman]

This is my wife's Maverick 12-gauge. She was taught to use it by a New York City SWAT instructor, and practices regularly. She also shoots skeet with it, which drives the lightweight Benelli people insane!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

You should be more afraid of a house fire or slipping in the bath tub and cracking your skull then a burglar entering your house and shooting you. This is all fear based. People are afraid and their is always someone to tell you why you should be scared. (Not saying that everyone who carries falls into that category, but it is a category with a significant number of people.)

National Safety Council disagrees with you.

Cause of Death Odds of Dying

Heart Disease and Cancer 1 in 7

Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease 1 in 28

Intentional Self-harm 1 in 95

Unintentional Poisoning by and Exposure to Noxious Substances 1 in 96

Motor Vehicle Crash 1 in 114

Fall 1 in 127

Assault by Firearm 1 in 370

Car Occupant 1 in 645

Pedestrian Incident 1 in 647

Motorcycle Rider Incident 1 in 985

Unintentional Drowning and Submersion 1 in 1,188

Exposure to Fire, Flames or Smoke 1 in 1,498

Choking from Inhalation and Ingestion of Food 1 in 3,461

Pedacyclist Incident 1 in 4,486

Firearms Discharge 1 in 6,905


Air and Space Transport Incidents 1 in 9,821
Exposure to Electric Current, Radiation, Temperature and Pressure 1 in 15,212

Exposure to Excessive Natural Heat 1 in 16,584

Contact with Sharp Objects 1 in 38,174

Contact with Heat and Hot Substances 1 in 56,992

Contact with Hornets, Wasps and Bees 1 in 63,225

Cataclysmic Storm 1 in 66,335

Being Bitten or Struck by a Dog 1 in 112,400

Legal Execution 1 in 119,012

Lightning Strike 1 in 161,856

Source: National Safety Council estimates based on data from National Center for Health Statistics–Mortality Data, as compiled from data provided by the 57 vital statistics jurisdictions through the Vital Statistics Cooperative Program. Deaths are classified on the basis of the World Health Organization’s The International Classification of Diseases (ICD). For additional mortality figures, and estimated one-year and lifetime odds, see Injury Facts® 2017 Edition, pages 40-43.

 

[Hubbard]

I think he was specifically talking about home invasion deaths.

Nonetheless, I think we should not live in fear but in awareness, preventive caution, and preparedness within reason.

With the right attitude, motivation, and training, owning a firearm is not as extreme as some think. It feels quite natural to me.

Owning a firearm does not make me powerful. Owning a firearm does not make me safer unless I know how and when to use it effectively. Along with that, I need to recognize how and when not to use it.

 

[Escape]

I don’t know anything about the original poster but it has been suggested for him to get a gun with out knowing any details of his situation or of him. Not everyone should have a firearm. How is his health, his vision and so forth. Is he physically able and psychologicly prepared to fire a weapon? Again what are the circumstances? Not knowing that, how can you really suggest a gun to someone? Maybe I missed something.

 

[Hubbard]

I don’t know anything about the original poster but it has been suggested for him to get a gun with out knowing any details of his situation or of him. Not everyone should have a firearm. How is his health, his vision and so forth. Is he physically able and psychologicly prepared to fire a weapon? Again what are the circumstances? Not knowing that, how can you really suggest a gun to someone? Maybe I missed something.

Escape, those are valid observations, however, I do not think suggestions and opinions are ultimate and enforceable demands.

The poster asked for opinions and suggestions.

In my suggestions, I included a conceal carry permit class. This education and awareness is very important.

 

[sandchip]

AR is not something my wife can handle...

Both my wife and I are prior military and have fired weapons many times...and the "Judge" is one that I am favoring.

I'm a bit confused and not questioning or trying to pick at you. I would think that being prior military, that your wife would have to have been able to handle an M4 (AR platform). Admittedly, this is irrelevant to me because I wouldn't recommend an AR for home defense unless that is all you can put your hands on at the moment. Not knocking the Judge either, but I would think that due to the recoil, that one would be more difficult for her to control, especially in a high-stress situation, than a long arm.

 

[Hubbard]

I'm a bit confused and not questioning or trying to pick at you. I would think that being prior military, that your wife would have to have been able to handle an M4 (AR platform). Admittedly, this is irrelevant to me because I wouldn't recommend an AR for home defense unless that is all you can put your hands on at the moment. Not knocking the Judge either, but I would think that due to the recoil, that one would be more difficult for her to control, especially in a high-stress situation, than would a long arm.

I agree with the recoil issue. I think it would work fine but the recoil would be something to consider. In close range, you just need to be able to pull the trigger in 3 quick movements.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I think he was specifically talking about home invasion deaths.

Nonetheless, I think we should not live in fear but in awareness, preventive caution, and preparedness within reason.

With the right attitude, motivation, and training, owning a firearm is not as extreme as some think. It feels quite natural to me.

Owning a firearm does not make me powerful. Owning a firearm does not make me safer unless I know how and when to use it effectively. Along with that, I need to recognize how and when not to use it.

For me owning and carrying a firearm is insurance, just like any other insurance policy. I carry car insurance, home owner insurance, hurricane insurance, health insurance, life insurance, flood insurance, my firearms is just another insurance policy that I carry. I also carry USCCA Elite firearm insurance to cover me in case I ever have to use my firearms.

 

[Duckshot]

...You should be more afraid of a house fire or slipping in the bath tub and cracking your skull then a burglar entering your house and shooting you. ..

I see. Nothing wrong with fear now, huh Escape? No need to keep a fire extinguisher in the house, no need for no-slip on the tub floor now is there?

If you got no-slip in your tub or an extinguisher in your house, you are a coward. I'd say you just shot down your own argument Escape. In fact, you took your own argument apart like it was a three dollar watch.

 

[Hubbard]

“ The other category are those who carry because it makes them feel powerful and brave. You have an edge on everyone you see or meet. Powerful stuff. The root is a feeling of powerlessness and fear and this is a way to compensate. (Again its a category that some people fall into. Not everyone who carries falls into this category.)

That is a very true statement.

The same can be made about cars and other possessions.

All need to be possessed with an understanding that they do not change who you are and should come with a sense of responsibility.

 

[fish1on]

I'm a bit confused and not questioning or trying to pick at you. I would think that being prior military, that your wife would have to have been able to handle an M4 (AR platform). Admittedly, this is irrelevant to me because I wouldn't recommend an AR for home defense unless that is all you can put your hands on at the moment. Not knocking the Judge either, but I would think that due to the recoil, that one would be more difficult for her to control, especially in a high-stress situation, than a long arm.

You are not picking on me at all and ask a valid question. Yes both my Wife and I had to be trained/qualified with the M-16 and the 9 MM but that was many years ago. When I made the comment that my wife could not handle the AR it was solely based on her current physical capabilities. We are not what we were back 20 years but we can work on that. I have looked deeper into all of the various configurations the AR can be set up in and have read many reviews about handling and recoil. Seems many choose the AR for many positive reasons.

I am not purchasing anything as of yet. I want to get some formal training, and go to one of my local gun sale and range shops

 

[McKinney_5900]

I had a dog that would not take offerings from strangers. I once took a biscuit he refused from the vet and he dug it out of my pocket on the way home.
The best dog training is that in which the owner is fully involved. More so when a trainer is employed. Almost like if you send a child to learn a language you do not understand and then try to communicate through it.
All I expect of my dogs( in regards to security or dealing with traffic) is to let me know when something is around. And they do!

That is one fine dog you have there!

I agree: "All I expect of my dogs( in regards to security or dealing with traffic) is to let me know when something is around. And they do!"

My boxer dog senses the smallest sounds inside and even the outside of my house. She wouldn't bite but I'd know something was up.

The security cameras sound most logical, even though I have put off getting them myself for a long time. Thanks

 

[ChampFerguson/TN]

You are not picking on me at all and ask a valid question. Yes both my Wife and I had to be trained/qualified with the M-16 and the 9 MM but that was many years ago. When I made the comment that my wife could not handle the AR it was solely based on her current physical capabilities. We are not what we were back 20 years but we can work on that. I have looked deeper into all of the various configurations the AR can be set up in and have read many reviews about handling and recoil. Seems many choose the AR for many positive reasons.

I am not purchasing anything as of yet. I want to get some formal training, and go to one of my local gun sale and range shops

I might add that one of my instructors would place a M-16 onto his .....mmmm....crotch and fire off a full mag of 30 rounds 1 handed to demonstrate how little recoil the M-16/AR in 556 has.

 

[mrwilburino]

Hard to judge this this one since few details have been given. I do own firearms and use them to protect my home, but I gotta say, if I was living in a situation where my wife's life was, and would continue to be in danger, I would pack up and move if that was in any way an option. Yeah, I know...... not the macho way to do things, but I wouldn't give it a second thought. Again though, I don't quite know what the OP's situation is. He may not have that option.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

So many variables for home defense.

How many kids at home and their ages?

Do you have any firearm training, or even hunting?

Home layout? How many doors, floors, open or closed floor plan, What's behind the hallway walls?

I have a 9mm pistol with Gold Dots (hollow point) on me at most times. Second level is a double-barrel shotgun.

Only worrying about one family member (wife) I am pretty sure my fire won't go through the pine walls or home logs to jeopardize loved one and neighbors. I don't curretly own a pump shotgun but if I was looking for a home defense weapon that would be the choice. #4 high brass (not 0000 Buck). Across a room it would tear up a torso well enough.

The double shotgun does double duty as my barn pest choice at night if the chickens start a ruckus. Daylight - I have a single-shot .223 Rem that has many varmints accounted for. In a pinch . . .

Best single item - a medium to large dog. Alarm AND delaying tactic for intruders.

 

[sandchip]

...We are not what we were back 20 years...

That's sort of what I was thinking, and brother, can I relate. I wish you and your wife the best.

...a pump shotgun but if I was looking for a home defense weapon that would be the choice. #4 high brass (not 0000 Buck). Across a room it would tear up a torso well enough...

Very good point. Buck will go through some walls with no problem.