Question on Using One Rod and Triangulating?

[TXcoindigger]

Hello Dowsing guys,
Recently I was enjoying a friends video on Youtube and he was hunting with some friends in the plowed fields of PA. The fellow he was hunting with had developed a type of dowsing rod that he sells (cant remember the name) he used to determine the direction to hunt with his metal detector for coins.
His technique was to use a single rod until he felt the pull and sight a line to a fixed object like a tree. He then moved and approached the area from the opposite direction until he felt the pull again sighting this line to an object. Where these lines crossed was the approximate location of metal, typically a coin, copper, silver, etc.
He would then detect toward the intersection point and locate the object ussually pretty close to the visualized intersection point.
My question is: Do you think I could duplicate this with a bent rod maybe with a silver coin taped to it in my local park.
In the past I have been curious like many of us and tried using 2 wires and of course they would always cross over water, etc. But I have never tried dowsing seriously. I have enjoyed reading the posts here where at least I can get some real info on the subject.
This guy didnt endorse any programming or mental stuff, but his dowsing devices are very expensive.
I am interested in developing a techique I can use to increase my metal detecting silver and gold finds.
I am sure this is not a new request. LOL
Thanks for your feedback.
Brett

 

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[john glassman]

If you want to make a single rod it must be made out of brass and copper handle this would cost you under twenty dollar' and you need for tool's a hack saw a vise and small brake line tube cutter and time! I make my own and can pin point gold and silver. I have attached a small chamber to the tip of the rod to put the bait in a scrap of silver or cheap piece of gold chain. With one rod you will get a quicker reponse and when you go to far over spot the rod will hit you in upper shoulder. I hope this give you some help you need!

 

[TXcoindigger]

If you want to make a single rod it must be made out of brass and copper handle this would cost you under twenty dollar' and you need for tool's a hack saw a vise and small brake line tube cutter and time! I make my own and can pin point gold and silver. I have attached a small chamber to the tip of the rod to put the bait in a scrap of silver or cheap piece of gold chain. With one rod you will get a quicker reponse and when you go to far over spot the rod will hit you in upper shoulder. I hope this give you some help you need!

Thank you for your input John.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Triangulation is some times hard to understand..To be exact you need to have at least 3 readings . I cheat a little and use 2 readings which will always puts me in the area..I am always glad when newbie’s have learned some important information about dowsing…Art

 

[TXcoindigger]

Art and Mike thank you for your replies.
I am in no hurry and will hunt the spots I am going to try dowsing with my detector anyway.
Based on what I saw this is a way to get the detector over the spots with the potential for coins.

I am going to try and make a rod and start using it when I go out detecting to practice getting a directin to walk with my detector.
Will let you know what kind of luck I have.

I appreciate having a resourse for questions. Thank you.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey TXcoindigger….I would like to pass on a few things that I have learned. Listen to anyone who gives you advise. In every practice session. You want to try what others have told you to try. Give a good try and then you can decide if it helped or not. If does not help file the idea because some day it may make your day…There are no set rules for Dowsing…It is what works for you and don’t let anyone tell you that you are wrong. I am a two rod user so I will help when I can….Art

 

[TXcoindigger]

Thank you very much Art. I appreciate the help.

Your top photo with the film canaster looks like a simple rod to build and i think I will start with one like this.
I would ask in your oppinion how important do you think the silver or gold sample is?

I am looking forward to starting my practicing this next week. I know the guy on the video was having very accurate results. He was hunting with a couple of pro detectorist who I have been sharing videos with for sometime and they seemed fairly impressed with his techniques. They were making good finds.

I am going to begin using one rod and proceed as I understood he was doing it on the video. There was not a lot of detail on his technique other than what I originally descibed in my first post, however as you said there is no right or wrong way to approach this.

I am excited about the possibilites that dowsing may assist in directing me and my detector over the silver coins and gold rings.
Sure would be cool if I can develop a technique that would do it.

I am optomistic yet certainly prepared for inacuracies to start. I look at it this way Art, I am going to detect the area anyway. There is no harm in letting the dowsing rod direct me.
Thanks again
Brett

 

[aarthrj3811]

There isn’t firm answer on weather to bait or not…I always bait when it is possible. …Art

 

[TXcoindigger]

Makes sense. Cant really apply some hard fast rules to it. Yet I can benefit from your oppinion based on your experiences.
Based on my limited understanding I think what I believe may work is probably an important part of IT WORKING.
Baiting can not hurt and may help.
Thanks Art. I am just going to go out and try it.
Brett

 

[Ted Groves]

If you really want to learn dowsing, I'm not sure your approach "can't hurt anything". If you can't find a target in a practice area, you are going to have to rely on luck and wishful thinking. Luck is luck, but wishful thinking is a bad habit to get into if you want to learn dowsing because it isn't dowsing, it's guessing just like the skeptics do. I guess my first post on this thread was for naught. The fact that you plan to bypass any practice leads me to believe you have the get-rich-quick fever. Well, if you get lucky, it's not dowsing and if you fail you are probably going to give up on learning. I say that is the wrong way to go about it, but what do I know?

Yes, what do you know? Seems you are long on "ways to dowse" but short on "real results".

Basically, it appears a lot of what you advocate for dowsers to do, in order to be successful, are really "self-talk admonitions" to help your own dowsing, which appears to be stuck in the Failure Mode. Of course that's to be expected when what you are chasing is strictly a random event. Trying to "find" order and methods when observing a random event will ALWAYS result in big vicious circles and Failure.

 

[jimmygoat]

Hey Ted, Instead of knocking everything, why don't you go to a forum where you can deliver some positive and meaningful info to the readers of T.N.? Jimmygoat

 

[Ted Groves]

Hey Ted, Instead of knocking everything, why don't you go to a forum where you can deliver some positive and meaningful info to the readers of T.N.? Jimmygoat

I consider my input to be as valuable as any other. If you don't, there is always the Iggy button you can take advantage of.

 

[jimmygoat]

Ted you didn't answer my question.

 

[TXcoindigger]

If you really want to learn dowsing, I'm not sure your approach "can't hurt anything". If you can't find a target in a practice area, you are going to have to rely on luck and wishful thinking. Luck is luck, but wishful thinking is a bad habit to get into if you want to learn dowsing because it isn't dowsing, it's guessing just like the skeptics do. I guess my first post on this thread was for naught. The fact that you plan to bypass any practice leads me to believe you have the get-rich-quick fever. Well, if you get lucky, it's not dowsing and if you fail you are probably going to give up on learning. I say that is the wrong way to go about it, but what do I know?

Hello Mike,
Please understand I didnt intend to convey a disregard for your advice on practice or to bypass practice. Actually just the oposite I intend to make my tool and practice and expect it to be like a process and require revision and refinement to develop into a reliable technique.
Honestly just for a bit I would almost read a little anger or hostility in your response regarding the get-rich-quick fever comment, but you volunteered what I believe to be an honest and solid response to my initial question and that gets you the benefit of a doubt from me. Perhaps my comments can be interpreted differently than how they were intended. Do me a favor and give me the benefit of a doubt and assume I desire to learn about dowsing and do the best I can to apply it for my application.

Based on your information and comments on Mental discrimination I believe you have a ligitimate concern that I may get discouraged if I do not prove the reliability of dowsing as I move forward. I am convinced dowsing works, how I do not know, but I am beginning with this basic belief. I appreciate your instruction and details on how to get started and the importance of impressing my subconcious. I will attempt to apply all that you may suggest.
Again I appreciate your help and advice and look forward to any and all you may have.

I would ask that my thread not get hijacked into a fighting ring.

 

[teleprospector]

Hello Dowsing guys,
My question is: Do you think I could duplicate this with a bent rod maybe with a silver coin taped to it in my local park.
This guy didnt endorse any programming or mental stuff, but his dowsing devices are very expensive.
I am interested in developing a techique I can use to increase my metal detecting silver and gold finds.
Thanks for your feedback.
Brett

Yes, as mentioned earlier, I feel the brass rod you can buy at a hardware store is a really good choice and the silver coin would be the best bait to use for finding a silver coin. I prefer the 3/16" rod. I cold bend mine so the handle is 6" and the antenna is 15". This rod baited with the silver coin will have it's own physical range to target distance without your mental involvement. Should you choose to use mental involvement, your accuracy, range and sensitivity will increase. There is a spot on the antenna where you can place the silver coin that will give you the best sensitivity. All you need to do is slide the coin small distances on the antenna and sweep the rod in the direction of another silver coin. Move the coin to a new spot on the antenna and re sweep until you get the strongest reaction then mark the rod with a small paint drop and always tape your silver coin at this mark. Don't forget to measure from the tip of the antenna to this mark in case the paint comes off. Hope this helps,
Jon

 

[TXcoindigger]

Yes, as mentioned earlier, I feel the brass rod you can buy at a hardware store is a really good choice and the silver coin would be the best bait to use for finding a silver coin. I prefer the 3/16" rod. I cold bend mine so the handle is 6" and the antenna is 15". This rod baited with the silver coin will have it's own physical range to target distance without your mental involvement. Should you choose to use mental involvement, your range and sensitivity will increase. There is a spot on the antenna where you can place the silver coin that will give you the best sensitivity. All you need to do is slide the coin small distances on the antenna and sweep the rod in the direction of another silver coin. Move the coin to a new spot on the antenna and re sweep until you get the strongest reaction then mark the rod with a small silver paint drop and always tape your silver coin at this mark. Don't forget to measure from the tip of the antenna to this mark in case the paint comes off. Hope this helps,
Jon

Thank you Jon
Have you used a single rod and sighted a couple of lines to determine the location? Do you use a detector to find the object once the intersection is located?
Thanks for your comments
Brett

 

[Ted Groves]

Mike, I can see why anyone reading your instructions would be terribly confused.

Your statement; "You have to keep it centered but let it move when it wants to without forcing it to move or holding it back."

... is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Obviously, you are quite confused yourself about what causes the rod(s) to move, so I expect it is only natural that your explanations would be utter confusion also.

Practicing for several hours a week, for weeks on end will not improve the accuracy of dowsing. Not your dowsing, not mine; not anyone's. What it will do is ingrain a lot of bad habits such that in the end the dowser will constantly (like yourself) be chasing a totally random event; trying desperately to find order and repeatability where NONE can exist. Another side effect, as you've also found out, is that practicing something to the extent you are recommending can adversely affect your health.

When properly tested the end result (as you have already found) will never be an accuracy level that is any better than what can be obtained from logic, natural intuition, research and best-guessing.

 

[aarthrj3811]

When properly tested the end result (as you have already found) will never be an accuracy level that is any better than what can be obtained from logic, natural intuition, research and best-guessing.

Hate to tell you Ted…Dowsing does not work that way for real people….Art

 

[Ted Groves]

When properly tested the end result (as you have already found) will never be an accuracy level that is any better than what can be obtained from logic, natural intuition, research and best-guessing.

Hate to tell you Ted…Dowsing does not work that way for real people….Art

I don't normally respond to you Art, since you refuse to use the Quote Button correctly and you are also just playing games with people; you are on my Ignore List, but I will make an exception this one time.

When you can start using the Quote Button correctly, I may consider posting comments to you again, but until then your postings I'll never see unless someone quotes them.

Tuta-loo....

 

[aarthrj3811]

Practicing for several hours a week, for weeks on end will not improve the accuracy of dowsing.

Can you suggest another way to train your sub conscious mind?

What it will do is ingrain a lot of bad habits such that in the end the dowser will constantly (like yourself) be chasing a totally random event; trying desperately to find order and repeatability where NONE can exist.

That’s not what the articles’ I have read tells us.. Results 1 - 10 of about 807,000 for training your subconscious.

Another side effect, as you've also found out, is that practicing something to the extent you are recommending can adversely affect your health.

Do you mean like this thread Belief in Dowsing kills another 125 people?....Art