Question on Using One Rod and Triangulating?

[TXcoindigger]

Brett, what many people call "triangulating" is not the proper term. Finding the intersection of two lock-on's is really the opposite of triangulating, but that's not important. Anyway, if you want to learn this, it takes very good rod control. You don't want to move you arm separate from your upper body, keep this all as one unit. Some people tuck their elbow into their side or rest it on their hip. Be sure to keep the rod pointing straight ahead, that is, do not start out with the rod at an angle. Sweep slowly and very smoothly. Do not let the rod bounce up and down. Even a quarter inch might be too much bounce. The quickest way to lose an attraction is to bounce the rod a half inch or so. Anyone who tries to tell you this is easy just doesn't know. Depending on how much you practice, three times a week expect two months before you are ready, if you practice every day, about one month. You can cover a lot more ground with this technique but you are still going to need to learn the box-in method so you can pinpoint. When you are doing a sweep, try to feel any bumps. Usually these are the edges of the target's field.

And in case you don't already know, stay as far away from negative people as you can. Avoid them like the plague. DO NOT READ THEIR GARBAGE!!! PUT THEM ON IGNORE!!! They will poison your chances for success. They are very skilled at injecting their poison into your subconscious, what I call hidden time bombs. At a weak moment you start to remember what negative remarks you read, or you might even do it subconsciously and not even realize it. In the blink of an eye you have flinched and destroyed your dowse. We all have weak moments. Hopefully you can learn and build your confidence, then you build up an immunity to it.

Thank you for the input. I am going to work on my dowsing rod today.
Will keep you informed as to how my practic is going.
thanks Again
Brett

 

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[TXcoindigger]

Picked up a brass brazing rod from my local welding supply on the way to the park where I usually hunt in the afternoons.
I fashoned a bend in the rod to make a rather crude rod when I arrived just to give it a try and get started. Tonight I will take my time and make a proper dowsing rod.
I used a silver dime as bait and just held it in my hand touching the handle of the rod. The goal was to simply get accustomed to walking with the rod with the hope of being able to determine any directional movement.
It was rather windy but even at that I believe I detected slight left to right movements with the rod. I know it was too long and I still have not found the best stationary position for my arm and hand.
I followed what I believed was the movement and even tried testing it by making it swing both ways to confirm it was the rod moving. There was very minimal movement.
Mentally I was just trying to keep my mind clear and visualize a silver coin both a dime and a quarter. I was also confident that the rod would direct me to the line to hunt for the silver.
Once I had what I thought was the line I grabbed up my detector and worked the path. My first target was a clad dime.
I consider this a great start. I was optomistic but realistic that I can not expect to pick up a dowsing rod and have immediate success.
I look forward to perfecting the technique and letting the dowsing rod suggest my path to detect.
Thanks for all of your help. Please let me know if you have any more suggestions.
Brett

 

[TXcoindigger]

Well TXcoindigger, like Mike says, ignore the fearful and enjoy the great world of dowsing. And yes, belief IS important. Who in their right mind would go out and do any activity in a negative, loser state of mind. So don't mind the losers. Listen to the winners and you'll be in great company

I agree Thanks
Here is the deal as I approach this activity.
I am going to metal detect. I love coinshooting and treasure hunting in general. Have for years and will continue to do so.
I witnessed a technique that demonstrated a possibility of improving my finds. A technique to aquire direction.
I am only successful when my coil swings over a target of value. Dowsing is a method to improve my chances of this occuring.
Dowsing is an age old activity. Successful for some and not for others. It is what it is, regardless of what anyone tries to make it. I will do all I can to be successful at dowsing, however if I fail it is not dowsings fault. That is like saying my detector is no good if I dont know how to use it.
I begin with confidence dowsing will direct my swing.

 

[teleprospector]

Yes, as mentioned earlier, I feel the brass rod you can buy at a hardware store is a really good choice and the silver coin would be the best bait to use for finding a silver coin. I prefer the 3/16" rod. I cold bend mine so the handle is 6" and the antenna is 15". This rod baited with the silver coin will have it's own physical range to target distance without your mental involvement. Should you choose to use mental involvement, your range and sensitivity will increase. There is a spot on the antenna where you can place the silver coin that will give you the best sensitivity. All you need to do is slide the coin small distances on the antenna and sweep the rod in the direction of another silver coin. Move the coin to a new spot on the antenna and re sweep until you get the strongest reaction then mark the rod with a small silver paint drop and always tape your silver coin at this mark. Don't forget to measure from the tip of the antenna to this mark in case the paint comes off. Hope this helps,
Jon

Thank you Jon
Have you used a single rod and sighted a couple of lines to determine the location? Do you use a detector to find the object once the intersection is located?
Thanks for your comments
Brett

Hello Brett,
Yes I use a single L-rod most of the time. I have used it in parks to locate single coins then use a metal detector to dig them up. Keep in mind that on your sight lines the rod will lock on the closest coin to you and you may experience another lock as you sweep while facing the same direction from another coin further away. I like to box-in each coin then re sweep from that position to the next one.
Jon

 

[teleprospector]

It was rather windy but even at that I believe I detected slight left to right movements with the rod. I know it was too long and I still have not found the best stationary position for my arm and hand. Once I had what I thought was the line I grabbed up my detector and worked the path. My first target was a clad dime.
I look forward to perfecting the technique and letting the dowsing rod suggest my path to detect.
Thanks for all of your help. Please let me know if you have any more suggestions.
Brett

Good job!
Once you become comfortable with your dowsing hand position, you may want to try holding an umbrella in your other hand to block the wind, it looks silly, but it works really well for me.
Jon

 

[TXcoindigger]

Yes, as mentioned earlier, I feel the brass rod you can buy at a hardware store is a really good choice and the silver coin would be the best bait to use for finding a silver coin. I prefer the 3/16" rod. I cold bend mine so the handle is 6" and the antenna is 15". This rod baited with the silver coin will have it's own physical range to target distance without your mental involvement. Should you choose to use mental involvement, your range and sensitivity will increase. There is a spot on the antenna where you can place the silver coin that will give you the best sensitivity. All you need to do is slide the coin small distances on the antenna and sweep the rod in the direction of another silver coin. Move the coin to a new spot on the antenna and re sweep until you get the strongest reaction then mark the rod with a small silver paint drop and always tape your silver coin at this mark. Don't forget to measure from the tip of the antenna to this mark in case the paint comes off. Hope this helps,
Jon

I will be building my dowsing rod today and experimenting with bait position. I could see where it would be beneficial to make a swivel handle as suggested with tubing to aid in keeping the rod handle in the proper position up and down.

Thank you for your input Jon. It is very encouraging.
Brett

 

[TXcoindigger]

Well, don't listen to me, just go ahead and when you need help, I'll still be around here. I won't bother you any more.

Mike,
Hey buddy as you requested I am trying not to read too much into what you say, but you are not bothering me.
Again I am not sure how my posts are being interpreted. Did I fail to listen to what you had to say?

I am guessing that this may have just been a response to the criticism from someone else. Listen, I can recognize good input and determine what I believe is usefull.
Your input has been real and honest and I welcome your oppinions. If you have additional input for me as we move forward, I am pleased to have it.
I am not going to respond to the thread hijackers that want to turn my thread into a personal battle zone by changing the topic into an attack on someone, including an attack on you.

 

[An Ri Rua]

Hey Ted, Instead of knocking everything, why don't you go to a forum where you can deliver some positive and meaningful info to the readers of T.N.? Jimmygoat

I consider my input to be as valuable as any other. If you don't, there is always the Iggy button you can take advantage of.

Unfortunately, your subjective viewpoint on your material has no bearing on the reality that its totally non-researched and therefore utterly useless to the OP. Or to anyone who wishes to dowse. It is not valuable at all, apart from subtly reminding the OP to check the source of advice before reading further. If you want help or advice with dowsing (research or practice), please feel free to PM me Ted Groves, and I would love to help you. As you definitely need help and advice regarding dowsing. Your posts are mostly 100% inaccurate in regards to dowsing. Of course, you are trying to help (aren't we all?) but when an newbie gets useless info, it just adds to the confusion and there's a risk they'll stop dowsing. How is your dowsing coming along? What do you treasure-hunt for and how are you / have you incorporated dowsing into your hunts?

Here is uncontestable proof of dowsing. I suggest you study the subject before advising although of course you are free to spout whatever subjective 'stuff' you like (but I know you are keen to learn true info about dowsing): -

Abbé Mermet "Principles & practices of radiesthesia" performed so many documented instances of dowsing and in accord with his own methodology that what you are propounding here is incorrect, inaccurate suppositions, and could be construed as a disservice to all other treasure hobbyists here. Just because you have an obsession with dowsing does not mean that you have to elevate this to the level of blatant 'subjectivity'. I urge you and your skeptical wannabee dowsers to make contact with the inheritors of his knowledge in France and read something (anything) on dowsing before you make further mistakes and confuse yourself (and potentially other hobbyists) more. There is a solid methodology to dowsing and to radiesthesia. You would do well to read more (anything?) on this subject before advising the OP (what were your contributions on dowsing, remind me?) as we all need to build our knowledge progressively and if you are not doing any homework, then your contributions are misleading to say the least and a drag on the rest of us. Can I help you with research buddy? Get you up to speed? I firmly believe that you can be a good dowser if you let go of the fear that has overtaken you. A guy starts a thread, asking for help re dowsing, and all you can offer is a questionable contribution. But that's ok, because we can all help you. What do you feel is your barrier? Are you holding your rod too tightly?

Again, if there's any way that I can help you, Ted Groves, to better understand the reality of dowsing and its usefulness in finding many things, not least of which treasure, then you just pm me buddy or ask the rest of us here. I understand that it can be a frightening and exciting ordeal, when you first start dowsing, but rest assured, there are experienced others here who are willing to hold your hand as you learn your first lessons. Yes, its humbling when we learn something new, but you have to start somewhere. I hope to be able to teach you something about the art of dowsing; IF you are willing to learn with the curiosity that befits all true sceptics.

http://www.radiestesiaargentina.netfirms.com/radmundo/danwilson1.html
"The Roy Talbot Award for outstanding acts of water divination, to Father
James Kimpton of the "Water For Life" scheme, where he has found water
for 2000 villages in India and the funds for boreholes, pumps - and
schools.
His success record was compared with that of Government geologists in
1996 and found to be 90% against their 30%. "

http://forum.britishdowsers.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=1292 "Water for Life" BSD podcast. Enjoy.

The work of Abbé Alexis Mermet in finding water both in France< Switzerland and worldwide for secular and church requests was unparalled by any geologist attempts. and yet you still doubt? But of course, you have no research done, so that faux pas is understandable to an extent. Hopefully, you will study dowsing a little more? It does help in making 'useful' posts.

ps 'potable' water and at affordable drilling depths. Do some homework as there's so much proof out there my 'friend'.

While others do great work and help humanity, you still wonder is dowsing real? Your attitude is that of someone who just needs to do some reading, Ted Groves. Perhaps you will, before misinforming the OP? Again, I can help you as of course your intentions were good and you were trying to help the OP. You just have to ask buddy. I CAN HELP YOU LEARN. After all, this is a hobbyist forum and if there's something that you're having trouble with understanding, I am here to help you.

ps readers: - the BSD run the Water for Life charity; a charity which has done village-transforming work inthe poorest parts of the world. http://www.britishdowsers.org/about/water_for_life.shtml That's worth a read Ted, old buddy, old pal. Very uplifting stuff. You will love it, I know.

Well TXcoindigger, like Mike says, ignore the fearful and enjoy the great world of dowsing. And yes, belief IS important. Who in their right mind would go out and do any activity in a negative, loser state of mind. So don't mind the losers. Listen to the winners and you'll be in great company for life. The losers will find something else to whine about.

 

[An Ri Rua]

Hey TX,

have a look at this: -

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Successful-...al-Dowsing/dp/0955032504?tag=treasurenet01-20 I have it, and its helpful.

There's a also a free e-book available here. http://www.truetreasure.info/ David's a good guy. I bought 2 books directly from him, through Amazon before.

This info will help with both boxing in and what is being called triangulation.

You also should know that good orthographic images that have been accurately produced allow for much better map dowsing than a map will (although modern maps benefit from being overlaid on such orthographic images and therefore tend to be highly accurate). An example I use for Ireland is here http://ims0.osiemaps.ie/website/publicviewer/main.aspx#V1,600000,750000,0 Abbé Mermet preferred photographs to maps (as maps were at best only representative / symbolic) but of course our orthographic images and therefore maps are also highly accurate these days. Google and Bing maps, less so. Due to the limits of satellite info as compared to low-flight photography. If you have any such images of your park, and other sites, then grid map dowsing shoudl help you along. A number of guys here map dowse, and you don't need to use a pendulum, you can use a pointer and your L rod.


All the best,

HH

 

[Ted Groves]

See.... now don't you feel better for getting that off your chest, An Ri Rua. I knew you could be civil if you just put your mind to it.

Incidentally, how many copies of Mermet's book would you like? How about Modern Dowsing by R. Willey? Or, maybe you'd like to peruse Dowsing by W.H. Trinder? Perhaps the classic Dowsing - Physical Radiesthesie by Pierre Beasse? And, if none of that suits your fancy, we can always delve into the many articles by Sam "Lobo" Wolfe. Anyway, that is just a smattering of what I've read and are in my library, so if there is anything you would like to know about the art and practice of dowsing, don't hesitate to inquire. If I can find the time, I will certainly help you.

 

[An Ri Rua]

See.... now don't you feel better for getting that off your chest, An Ri Rua. I knew you could be civil if you just put your mind to it.

Incidentally, how many copies of Mermet's book would you like? How about Modern Dowsing by R. Willey? Or, maybe you'd like to peruse Dowsing by W.H. Trinder? Perhaps the classic Dowsing - Physical Radiesthesie by Pierre Beasse? And, if none of that suits your fancy, we can always delve into the many articles by Sam "Lobo" Wolfe. Anyway, that is just a smattering of what I've read and are in my library, so if there is anything you would like to know about the art and practice of dowsing, don't hesitate to inquire. If I can find the time, I will certainly help you.

I can be civil, yes. And constructive. Can you......be constructive, Ted Groves?

So you've read them but you must not understand what you read? Do you? Does 2+2=5 in your domain or are you on the same hymnsheet as the rest of us? Or am I missing something Ted? Do you know more than various municipal authorities in Switzerland? They are simpletons are they? They, French & swiss oil and pharma companies and also the Catholic Church's highest authority in the Vatican, who out-manoeuvre a myriad of "miracle" claims on a weekly basis all around the world, yet felt it worthwhile to specially recognise the valuable work of Abbé Alexis Mermet, despite dowsing not being especially popular with them due to its potential spiritual distractions & spiritual risks.

Can you be civil now and explain to all here why you believe that the word of sceptics, just like you, who saw the supposed impossible achieved in their midst, should be less valid than your haphazard, subjective word to the OP?

Are you superior in knowledge or intellect to a vast array of testifiers to the veracity of Abbé Mermet's claims?

I challenge you to be civil from now on. I challenge you to here and now explain what flaws you see in the masterpiece works in your 'library' that you have so deeply delved into that you now know where greater men than you have erred?

Unlike you, if you know more about me on how to dowse, I'm all ears! Tell me, what do you treasure hunt for? But if your message here is just to bang on and on that dowsing can't work, well then we all know what you are, don't we old buddy? I'm just too civil today to say it

What is your purpose in the dowsing forum? Your scepticism with regards to the reality of dowsing is frowned upon by any educated European. If you have read those books, as you claim you have, then you must have an agent provocateur agenda here as it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to not know that dowsing works; having read those manuscripts. Again, if I can help you understand better, because, clearly, reading is not comprehending in your case (as stated by you), then just ask because anyone in the dowsing forum should have an interest in using dowsing to find treasure, no? If not, what's your purpose here? To educate me? Others? The OP? If that is your stated purpose, then that's another way of insulting someone's intelligence; in which case you would need to hauled up by a mod for presuming less of other posters.

What is your purpose here in the Dowsing forum, oh highly-read one?

 

[Ted Groves]

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What is your purpose here in the Dowsing forum, oh highly-read one?

To add input as I desire, and when I believe it to be appropriate.

(BTW, if you are so interested in what I have to say, why am I in your Iggy list? Of course The Truth About Dowsing is not always the easiest thing to accept, so maybe you are trying to avoid it. )

 

[TXcoindigger]

Mr. Groves I have read your posts and attempting to glean your message to me.
What I have detemined is a caution of misdirection of the other posts.
I appreciate this if I have interpreted your comments correctly.
If your ideas/knowledge on getting started in Dowsing differ from the suggestions posted, please give me your outline, simply please, on your recommendations.
I honestly welcome all viewpoints and will take what I feel is appropriate suggestions and attempt to apply them.
I would very much like to continue the conversation as I progress. Thank you
Brett

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI: Dowsing does work, at different levels for each person and with different results weekly, daily, hourly.

Here-in lies the problem, it is not consistant, such as turning on the power for a detector, but it does work, and it is repeatable in general, but with varying results through out the day. Similar to any mental, technical effort. Shall we say exploratory theoretical physics? Or even your biorythm levels.

So, quit trying to place it in a nice solid box to both use it, or test it.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[TXcoindigger]

HI: Dowsing does work, at different levels for each person and with different results weekly, daily, hourly.

Here-in lies the problem, it is not consistant, such as turning on the power for a detector, but it does work, and it is repeatable in general, but with varying results through out the day. Similar to any mental, technical effort. Shall we say exploratory theoretical physics? Or even your biorythm levels.

So, quit trying to place it in a nice solid box to both use it, or test it.

Don Jose de La Mancha

I tend to agree with this statement. It is a benefit to the beginner to hear what works for different individuals for ideas on how I may apply and try dowsing. I have limited expectations on its consistancy, until such time it becomes consistant for me.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Guys like Ted do not understand people like us…How dare us use some tool that they think does not work. The fact that dowsing does not work the same for each of us is one of their big problem. Each of us will have a different degree of success with the Rods..So what…If you are not happy with the Rods you throw them in the trash. If you enjoy using them just keep on using them. The only thing that counts is how you think….Art

 

[TXcoindigger]

It seems to be like the age old question of which metal detector is best.
We all know the guy with the $40 detector can often out hunt the guy with the $2000 machine. All based on experience and skill wth YOUR machine and after that some luck swinging the coil over a treasure.
Bent coat hangers or thousand dollar LRL, if you have success with them they good for you.
Just like the guy that starts with the $40 machine and moves up. I tend to follow that same mindset with any hobby or sport. Start cheap and make sure you are going to like it and stick with it before you spend the bucks. Even then there is no assurance the more expensive equipment is going to change the outcome or success.

 

[Ted Groves]

It seems to be like the age old question of which metal detector is best.
We all know the guy with the $40 detector can often out hunt the guy with the $2000 machine. All based on experience and skill wth YOUR machine and after that some luck swinging the coil over a treasure.
Bent coat hangers or thousand dollar LRL, if you have success with them they good for you.
Just like the guy that starts with the $40 machine and moves up. I tend to follow that same mindset with any hobby or sport. Start cheap and make sure you are going to like it and stick with it before you spend the bucks. Even then there is no assurance the more expensive equipment is going to change the outcome or success.

The really expensive dowsing gadgets are there for those who have unlimited financial resources to "blow" on a gamble. And along with that line of thinking, many believe they only get what they pay for, so if they must have the best, and they couldn't care less if they lose a few thousand dollars, then they will naturally go for the most expensive.

Of course, The Absolute Truth About Dowsing, is that a bent coat hanger, when FAIRLY tested will always produce exactly the same results as the most expensive dowsing contraption.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Of course, The Absolute Truth About Dowsing, is that a bent coat hanger, when FAIRLY tested will always produce exactly the same results as the most expensive dowsing contraption.

So, Are you saying that a better rod will not make a person a better Dowser? If some one practiced a lot would he not become a better Dowser? If a person is happy with his recoveries is that not a good Thing??Art

 

[An Ri Rua]

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What is your purpose here in the Dowsing forum, oh highly-read one?

To add input as I desire, and when I believe it to be appropriate.

(BTW, if you are so interested in what I have to say, why am I in your Iggy list? Of course The Truth About Dowsing is not always the easiest thing to accept, so maybe you are trying to avoid it. )

I am very interested in your answer to a number of questions that I have posted. But you won't answer because your intentions are to offer advice where you have no experience. prove that you have those dowsing books. Scan the covers beside a newspaper with today's date. But you won't......because you don't........and anyone listening to your advice will learn nothing about dowsing.......

Anyone who examines any of the dowsers' posts (Art, Real de Tayopa, me, Teleprospector, Goodyguy, etc, etc) will find evidence of seeking treasure. You? What treasure do you seek? Point to a post out of all your posts where you have been actively engaged in a treasure-seeking discussion on Tnet. Its only a matter of time before many more Tneters have you on their Iggy list. What use are you?