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Going through my old finds and came across these two pieces. I am pretty sure the ribbed brass barrel is a ram rod guide. Is the other thicker brass piece the tip to a ram rod. It fits snugly inside the barrel but moves in and out freely.
 

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The one is a ramrod pipe, my guess is from a Northwest trade gun. The other is not a ramrod tip, not with an open end. Looks like a piece of flared copper tubing.
 
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The one is a ramrod pipe, my guess is from a Northwest trade gun. The other is not a ramrod tip, not with an open end. Looks like a piece of flared copper tubing.

Agreed.
 
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What l.cutler said.
 
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Thanks for the replies and the information. While the one piece may very well be a flared pipe I can see no marks on it to show it was compressed onto a fitting. I am familiar with flare fittings having worked on cars for about 50 years and the flare on this piece just doesn't look like any I have seen before.
 
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