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Scottish888

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Here is the reason why everything found in the UK belongs to the Queen (and offspring) and why making claims does not exist. There are a couple of exemptions where the crown passed rights to certain local dukes (pals of the queen) a long time ago but basically the same theft going on.
You don't even have any rights to minerals, treasure, artifacts even if found in any property you may own and they never give permission to pan or metal detect but of course we do our best to liberate what should be ours.
You rightly complain about your government taking your rights but here, they stole it from all the British people 1000 years ago and proudly tell us how wonderful they are.
Bet you folks are glad to be American. Just goes to prove that brute force, violence and power wins, then you make laws to retain all.

From the Crown Estates:

Since 1760, the net income of The Crown Estate has been surrendered to the Exchequer by the Monarch under successive Civil List Acts, passed at the beginning of each reign.

The Crown Estate is though owned by the Monarch in right of the Crown. This means that the Queen owns it by virtue of holding the position of reigning Monarch, for as long as she is on the throne, as will her successor. Responsibility for managing The Crown Estate is trusted to us, under the Crown Estate Act, and the Queen is not involved in management decisions.

By contrast, the Queen also has private assets, which include Balmoral and Sandringham, and are hers to deal with as she chooses. But by no means all of what is commonly called Crown Land or Crown Property forms part of The Crown Estate.

In the UK "the Crown" is used not only to describe the Monarch, but also the Executive and the Judiciary. Thus properties owned and managed by Government departments are also Crown Property; these have nothing to do with the funding of the Monarchy or The Crown Estate.

Although the ownership of some property can be traced back to Edward the Confessor, the estate as a whole essentially dates from 1066. After the Norman Conquest, all the land belonged to William "in right of The Crown" because he was King. Despite centuries of change in law and custom, the underlying ownership of The Crown still exists and there is always a presumption in favour of The Crown unless it can be proved that the land belongs to someone else.

The Sovereign's estates had always been used to raise revenue, and over time large areas were granted to nobles. The estate fluctuated in size and value but by 1760, when George III acceded to the throne, the asset had been reduced to a small area producing little income - revenue which George III needed to fulfil the Sovereign's fiscal responsibilities to the nation.

By that time taxes had become the prime source of revenue for the United Kingdom and Parliament administered the country, so an agreement was reached that the Crown Lands would be managed on behalf of the Government and the surplus revenue would go to the Treasury. In return the King would receive a fixed annual payment - formerly known as the Civil List. This agreement has, at the beginning of each reign, been repeated by every succeeding Sovereign. Crown Lands in Scotland were included within the arrangement from 1832.

In 1955 a Government Committee under the Chairmanship of Sir Malcolm Trustram Eve recommended that to avoid confusion between Government property and Crown land, the latter should be renamed The Crown Estate and should be managed by an independent board. These recommendations were implemented by the Crown Estate Acts of 1956 and 1961, which established The Crown Estate as it is today.

Under the Act of 1961, the estate is managed by a Board who have a duty to maintain and enhance the value of the estate and the return obtained from it, but with due regard to the requirements of good management.

In 2011 the Sovereign Grant Act became law. Under the Act The Crown Estate continues to give its entire annual surplus (net profit) to the Treasury. The Act simply provides a mechanism that will be used by the Treasury to determine the amount of Government funding for the Monarch by reference to the amount of our annual surplus.
 

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Kray Gelder

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Interesting post, Scottish. It's difficult to grasp the UK's underlying governmental arrangement with the Crown, and "sovereign" members, such as Scotland. I sure don't get it. This is a political topic, and will probably get moved to the politics forum.
 

63bkpkr

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Scottish888,
No wonder the American Colonists "resisted" the influence of the Crown in the "Colonies". It is a shame that here in the USA the laws are becoming a sham, the government has put the Country into Debt and the profit has gone into the pockets of Politicians rather than to the Treasury of The USA which is owned by the We the People not the Politicians. As we've seen here the Politicians are doing their best to stop us from Prospecting Our Land and it is feared that the Politicians will do here what Russia did in Megadan, make prospecting totally Illegal and then the Russian made a deal with Industrialists to move Bulldozers in and removed every stitch of plant/tree life and kept the profits to themselves. They raped the Land in the name of Corruption where only the corrupt have power over life and limb and everything else. I will continue to prospect as I just love being out there. Thank you for the input!...........63bkpkr
 

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Scottish888

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Apologies for putting in the wrong place, thought it would be interesting to see why we are not really meant to be prospecting for gold here.
The post should be moved to the correct place, I don't think I can do that from here.

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Seden

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So all these youtube videos of guy's in Scotland getting good gold just gets handed over to the Government? 63bkpkr, I'm with you there. Because of the private citizen with their lawyers suing the USFS have closed all areas to sluicing or panning if we let them. That's tyranny by Proxy so we do it anyways.
 

KevinInColorado

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Scotland is not England. While both are part of the UK, they are separate sovereign nations. So the rules and land ownership are quite different.

William the Conqueror did NOT conquer Scotland!
 

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