Thanks for all the reply.What my intentions was I have a friend who's in the same boat so we decided to both buy to different detectors,that would make four that we would try out and keep the ones we like.now for woods want to go deep.Now I considered ctx ,but they came down in price and guys who used the etrac switched to CTX.now it seems they switched back to the etrac.Now I personally like the the sights and sounds of the v3i,but even no there built like tanks the seem to lac dept to a point.now the etrac have a very good reputation and people seem happy with them.now I have a atpro and they are good,but I here claims of getting ten inches with them,so there's deception cause I use it and I no first hand.now the t2 run hot which I no,get good dept so it seems and there a joy to swing. So seems to be a good woods MD.now I think MD are being built with so many options that the dept is being lost which people seem to care the most about, who cares if a four inch target is good or not to a point,its nothing to dig,now a 7 to 8 inch target is where you want to take the guess work out of it,or as much as possible .so that's the hole point to here from people who use the units in question from what I see the t2 ,etrac have the most consistency from what people say,but on a lot of videos people are using whites in the woods,also a lot of people talk about the older fishers being good.so you have to read between the lines, now I might have answered my own question either way plan on trying four so I can give my advice to someone els.thanks