Rifle experts attention. help needed Two rifles Newest 1879.

[dg39]

Well --I was donated these two rifles along with a few other things last week. I do know the top is a Winchester 1879, 32 Cal. with a very low three digit serial number. I would like to know a bit more about it.
The other rifle was used by the donors great, great grandfather during the civil war. I have details of the soldier and the battles he fought in. There are no marks on the rifle at all. Can anyone ID it for me or give me a guess.. I know next to nothing about firearms.. I would like to give a little more information on them when i display them. I will post two photos.
Thanks
DG

 

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[dg39]

Here is another closer shot of the two.
DG

 

[junkdigger]

Your Winchester has a patent date of 1879 on it,but the manufacturing rights were purchased from John M. Browning (and brothers) in 1883.The Rifle was designated the model 1885 by Winchester and made from about 1885-1920.There were "high wall" models,made for larger cartridges,and "low walls",made for smaller cartridges.Yours is a low wall.Values range from $350-$1200,depending on condition.John Browning designed many of the Winchester rifles in the early years.

 

[dg39]

Thanks Junkdigger. Thats more on it than I knew. The serial number if I remember correctly is 382. Its in fair shape, but would need a good going over to shoot I would imagine. I've got a Winchester 73 that I' going to display it with.
DG

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Sheehs missed this post until too olate. sniffff

Tropical Tramp

 

[buscadero]

DG: The second one is a Tough Cookie! Been searching & searching! Kentucky Rifle type? No!, Looks a little like a Sharps! No!, Hawken? Don't think so! That is an octagonal barrel, isn't it? How long?
I didn't think it would be tough to id w/ the barrel & set trigger, but it is a puzzler.
I'll keep looking.

Joe

 

[mojjax]

Nice guns ! Here's a link that might help .

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/

 

[dg39]

Thanks, buscadero and mojjax !
I will follow up on your leads. I am unable to measure barrel length till Monday. am away from museum. Will post that then.
It is an octagonal barrel.
DG

 

[DigEmAll]

That could very well never be ID'ed. Many rifles were made by local gunsmiths and during the civil war many were made to help with the cause, especially in the South. If your's has no makers mark, or anything else to ID it, most likely it was a rifle cranked out during the waning days of the Confederacy.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

=DigEmAll ]
That could very well never be ID'ed. Many rifles were made by local gunsmiths and during the civil war many were made to help with the cause, especially in the South. If your's has no makers mark, or anything else to ID it, most likely it was a rifle cranked out during the waning days of the Confederacy.
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True, but with a set trigger? unless possibly a sniper rifle.

Tropical Tramp

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[buscadero]

TT: That was my thought too. I checked out Berdan, no go! It wasn't Quigley's! I just think w/ those Triggers & Barrel, It's not your average Inf. weapon. Where is the Vernier Sight? I guess maybe it's semi- homemade!


quien sabe?

Joe

 

[dg39]

Side note:
Soldier fought through about a dozen major battles according to his records for CSA. Was never wounded. Later became the first sheriff of Vernon Parish (county) In Louisiana. Leesville, Louisiana parish (county) seat.. Fought with the original Red River Rebels... He was one tough guy. Last name Parker.
DG

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

e =buscadero TT: That was my thought too. I checked out Berdan, no go! It wasn't Quigley's! I just think w/ those Triggers & Barrel, It's not your average Inf. weapon. Where is the Vernier Sight? I guess maybe it's semi- homemade!
quien sabe? Joe
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HIO Busco de intierros.

I forgot to mention, and correct myself , that it could not have been an infantry rifle since the stock is for off hand shooting.

Tropical Tramp

 

[DigEmAll]

Jose, with the Confederacy, many soldiers fought with whatever they had. My Great great grandfather and his brother (as well as many other relatives) both fought in the war. My GGgrandfather was a mounted cavlary soldier, and his brother was in Co G of the 27th Alabama. His brother fought with a muzzle loading shotgun, which would ultimately lead to his undoing. During the heat of battle near Chickamauga, he was rapidly firing and reloading. While doing this he poured a fresh powder charge onto a glowing ember. The powder ignited and the flash blinded him for the rest of his years.

 

[dg39]

A bit more to add. the Barrel is approx 31 inches long. The bore measures inside just a little over 3/8 inches in Diam.. It is an eight sided barrel. I still find no marks on it anywhere. I don't want to risk taking it apart....rust.....Thats it.

 

[sparkymaster]

Very nice items to have!!!

 

[dg39]

I'll give a nice clean un-dug Indian Head Cent if anyone can come up with any good information on the CW rifle. and back it up...
1906, half the liberty showing.

DG

 

[numnydar]

well from what I can tell its based on the Kentucky 1/2 stock

http://www.antiqueguns.com/auction/item.cgi?johnklloyd/johnklloyd-10

 

[dg39]

well from what I can tell its based on the Kentucky 1/2 stock

http://www.antiqueguns.com/auction/item.cgi?johnklloyd/johnklloyd-10

Trigger guard and shape are very close. Yet the rifle I have is very plain. You are close I would think. lets see if anyone else comes up with anything.
DG