Scrappy Script Light Artillery, Perfect Drilled Wedge Shank !

steelheadwill · Jun 8, 2011

A quick hunt today with the Safari & Coiltek WOT.
From my hunted out site I Got a few buttons,
I have 2 nicer script A's, both shankless.
this is a great example of an early hand drilled 'Turret'

(it's a Wedge, not a turret.
Thanks Steve!)
another 'Cookie', which gave up an 1857 Eagle Cent. (barely)
A heavy cast oval piece, I would think it a brooch or barrette, but way too heavy,
and just one attachment broken off the end. anyone got ideas :help:

and a stunning early Naval button, condition just seems too good for an early flat military button.
what looks like an old pewter plate from a childs tea set or dollhouse ??
Brass cover from an artists paint pot 'Tilmann'? , it has '10NV' in the center, I think NV was an abbreviation for the Netherlands ??
another brass cover, "Solar" with foliations, :dontknow:

And a couple more brass whatsits, one appears to be a water meter, the free spinning rod has impellers inside the housing, I think the other may be an early carburetor, it has a needle and seat inside one of the lead fittings.
thanks for looking at my finds! Best to you all :thumbsup:

steelheadwill · Jun 10, 2011

Re: Scrappy Script Artillery, Perfect Drilled Wedge Shank !

Steve in PA said:
Herbie,

The reason that your navy button is in such great shape is because they were heavily gilted to withstand the sea salt atmosphere aboard ship. I recently dug one from the same era (roughly 1808 to 1821). Mine was actually backmarked "For Sea Service" (see pics)

As for you artillery button, it is not the Regiment Artillery (Alberts AY 32) that you show below your pics. Note the rim around your button. What you have is Alberts AY 40, which is 1st Regiment, Light Artillery, I am 99% sure of this...

Steve

Steve,
All I can say is 'Thanks Again' ! :notworthy:

I pondered over the first 'LA' button for so long, I may have removed it from my files in frustration :tongue3:

Now it should be easy enough to find the actual piece in my button box and keep the two together. (Sure)
The news about my Navy button has me very pleased, as you know, those early 1 piece militarys are my favorites.
when I decided to get some reference material, I chose the 'Breen Encyclopedia of Colonial and American Coins' , And the Tice 'Uniform Buttons of the United States, 1776-1865', I got rid of the Breen, and now will find a copy of Albert.
Love that 'Sea Service' button!
best digs to you :thumbsup:

, Herbie

steelheadwill · Jun 10, 2011

Re: Scrappy Script Artillery, Perfect Drilled Wedge Shank !

Antiquarian said:
Very nice finds Herbie!

I love the look of the 1st Regiment, Light Artillery Button!
Amazing condition on that piece!

Of course my favourite of your finds is the old brass oil lamp burner!

Dave

PS. Now you can stick that fork in me cause I'm done!

Thanks Dave!
that's the funniest comment I've read since I started on Tnet :laughing9:

{Sentinel} · Jun 10, 2011

Congrats SHWill :icon_thumleft:

One thing I do like about your Light Artillery button is the border around the edge of the button. We don't get them like that around here. We get alot of War of 1812 era Artillery and Light Artillery Scripts, but most of them don't have a decorated border like that running around the edge of the button. Congrats on some nice saves and the Navy One Piece. Was it by chance in mud or heavy silt? Around here they come out of the mud looking just like that.
Also, I love Alberts Book but don't get rid of Tice's Book though, there's alot of stuff that's in there that isn't in Alberts, also some misidentified stuff that's in Albert's is correctly identified in Tice's, just an instance of this is the Hampton Military Academy button is misidentified as the "Henderson Male Academy" in Albert's book. That said, there's things I like about Albert's that Tice's don't have, like its "RV" rating. I would say that they complement one another Very nicely, together they're a powerhouse for American (and some English) button history and Identification.

steelheadwill · Jun 10, 2011

{Sentinel} said:
Congrats SHWill One thing I do like about your Light Artillery button is the border around the edge of the button. We don't get them like that around here. We get alot of War of 1812 era Artillery and Light Artillery Scripts, but most of them don't have a decorated border like that running around the edge of the button. Congrats on some nice saves and the Navy One Piece. Was it by chance in mud or heavy silt? Around here they come out of the mud looking just like that.
Also, I love Alberts Book but don't get rid of Tice's Book though, there's alot of stuff that's in there that isn't in Alberts, also some misidentified stuff that's in Albert's is correctly identified in Tice's, just an instance of this is the Hampton Military Academy button is misidentified as the "Henderson Male Academy" in Albert's book. That said, there's things I like about Albert's that Tice's don't have, like its "RV" rating. I would say that they complement one another Very nicely, together they're a powerhouse for American (and some English) button history and Identification.

Hello Sentinel,
The Navy button came from sticky mud,
The LA came from the gravel layer.
(the area is generally 6" mud, 4" fine gravel/shell fragments,
then yellow or blue/gray dense clay beneath.)
All of the light artilleries I find on the web are flat, the two I've found are high convex,
are you familiar with these?
I have no plans on getting rid of the Tice, I have heard the reason it is lacking a lot of pre CW buttons is because they will be in his next book.
I just need to add some others to my collection.
Thanks for mentioning the saltwaters pitting effect in my US plate post.
It seems to have different effects on different objects, maybe due to alloy percentages. note my dragon Box cover post, that brass came out almost completely black.
Great to hear from you, Keep Plundering :thumbsup:

ANTIQUARIAN · Jun 10, 2011

This is what you've found after digging for only one year?!

Man, after digging for only seven months, this is what I can fill with my important coin finds! :laughing7:

Dave

steelheadwill · Jun 11, 2011

Antiquarian said:
This is what you've found after digging for only one year?!

Man, after digging for only seven months, this is what I can fill with my important coin finds!

Dave

Dave, your day is coming.
If you keep at it, you will pull a stunner :wink:

I remember you saying you hunt parks, try a general web search 'historic topographic maps ontario', and variations you should be able to view ones for your area with structures from the time shown. that's one option. (I tried, but I never can get much info other than US)
Find the the likely swimming holes in that river in Cordoba park for shallow water goodies.
Bet the mud in the harbor south of harbor road holds a lot of oldies.
Any old farmland now forested conservation area...
Keep on swingin, it's comin your way.
BTW, that box is for medium quality finds, the good stuff is in a smaller box, the lower is in boxes and piles :tongue3:

Best to you Dave, You deserve some keepers with the time you've put in :thumbsup:

steelheadwill · Jun 12, 2011

Antiquarian said:
This is what you've found after digging for only one year?!

Man, after digging for only seven months, this is what I can fill with my important coin finds!

Dave

Thanks Rtde3! watch out for that shark!

Dave,
That is a nice thimble, but I don't think you can fit your 1918 Silver in it.
Don't try to kid me, I know you dug some goodies :thumbsup: