Season 11

[gjb]

I will be purchasing the book this weekend to review.

By all means review the book, with my thanks. I'd ask you to bear in mind that, regardless of your final view of the content and the suggestions for testing, you consider the fact that the questions addressed didn't occur to anybody who originally assessed the 'evidence' and that they didn't bother to research the matter and get to the bottom of it.

It's a perception and an investigation that only happened as a result of looking, whether the result is right or wrong. Consider, then, what else might not have been noticed or checked out?

Also, be aware that there's some basic math in it!

 

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[TruthbeTold]

Book ordered (soft cover version) and waiting for its arrival.

With stories on this forum such as:

a) Money pit is Francis Bacon’s tomb
b) Money pit is an elaborate pit with flood tunnel traps, oak platforms and a cryptic 90 foot stone (now proven to be a faked attempt to dupe investors that ended up in a basement wall)
c) Aztec gold was buried in the money pit
d) The fictional King Arthur landed on oak island with his brother and buried treasure in the money pit
e) Black Beard (and many other pirates) buried treasure in the money pit
f) The templars put the Ark of the Covenant in the money pit
g) The templars used the space/time portal in the money pit to take their treasures to Mars
h) William Shakespeare’s secret writings are buried in the money pit

It’s easy to see that there is no historical foundation for any/all of the far fetched stories about oak island.

The fact that so many have developed completely different theories about what is on the island also adds credibility to the fact that nothing was ever truly there.

100% of everything found to date is nothing more than artifacts from common human habitation.

On one episode of the curse of oak island Dan Blankenship was asked whether he truly believed any treasure was ever on the island. In a senior moment he smiled and said no. That was edited out of on demand and replay episodes.

Fred Nolan feeling left out of the limelight used earth moving equipment to place large stones in the shape of cross. Water marks on the stones from many years underground showed they had been moved.

In closing I’m hoping to see actual evidence in your book pointing to why some sort of treasure was actually buried on the island vs. year another nebulous, fictional story such as those of Diana Muir.

 

[gjb]

It’s easy to see that there is no historical foundation for any/all of the far fetched stories about oak island. ...

I tend to agree with that. My take on the question of who might have been responsible rests on what was deposited (if that ever happened) requiring that we know where on the island it is (if it’s still there).

“The fact that so many have developed completely different theories about what is on the island also adds credibility to the fact that nothing was ever truly there.”

I don’t see how the one follows from the other. The different theories suggest that nobody knows for sure who was responsible for any supposed deposit not that it didn’t happen. Furthermore, “that nothing was ever truly there”, is an assumption not a fact, and I don’t see how anyone could prove it. It may be so, but perhaps something was planned. We don't know.

“100% of everything found to date is nothing more than artifacts from common human habitation.”

Not 100%, surely, but in general I'd tend to agree with respect to recent metal detecting finds.

“Fred Nolan feeling left out of the limelight used earth moving equipment to place large stones in the shape of cross. Water marks on the stones from many years underground showed they had been moved.”

It’s not known for a fact that Nolan constructed the Cross. That’s what you and many others want to believe. However, I can’t comment on your last claim as I’ve never seen it mentioned, don’t know who said it and haven’t seen the supporting argument or evidence.

“In closing I’m hoping to see actual evidence in your book pointing to why some sort of treasure was actually buried on the island vs. year another nebulous, fictional story such as those of Diana Muir.”

The focus of the book is not on ‘who’ but on ‘where’. If there ever was a deposit of value on the island my feeling, and it’s only a guess, would be that it may have been funds to finance one of the wars of the 18th century, perhaps by the British military, possibly before the establishment of Halifax as a potential stronghold. Who knows? There’s not enough historical evidence, but I don’t go for Templars. I just feel that this all seems too early.

However, as I’ve said, we’re only guessing about ‘who’ until we know ‘what’ which means knowing ‘where’ which is why the book recounts a search for evidence of the 'where' of the matter and not the ‘who’.

I’m sure you’ll declare the work to be fiction in any event, but my take on this is that it should be possible to check out the likelihood or otherwise on the island before making any pronouncement.

I note that you’ve decided to reject all the early reports containing potential evidence. I chose to consider what might be the implications of assuming that there could be an element of truth to those reports. It could be that something has been missed or something has been dismissed for the wrong reasons.

You’ve decided that you know all the answers. I haven’t. I continue to ask questions looking for possible answers. Thus, the book recounts the results of my search for answers to specific questions concerning the 'evidence'. That's how research works.

 

[TruthbeTold]

"any supposed deposit"

This statement correctly sums up all stories to date about oak island.

 

[gjb]

"any supposed deposit"

This statement correctly sums up all stories to date about oak island.

I fully understand why someone in the late 18th century might have supposed that there could have been a treasure deposit on the island and why the evidence reported to have found at the Money Pit and Smith’s Cove, should this be true and accurate, would eventually have enhanced that view.

All this really means to me is that there would seem to have been extensive engineering works on the island during the 18th century or prior to it. As we don’t know for what purpose, this presents us with a historical mystery.

However, you choose to believe that it doesn’t and, therefore, choose not to investigate whether there may be evidence of purpose. One of those purposes could even be to deposit a treasure. We don't know. So, might there be evidence of this? You say definitely not. I say, why not look in the sources and check to see if there may be?

I’m not starting off by assuming that there was a treasure. I’m simply looking for evidence suggesting that there might have been - and I don’t consider flood tunnels and water catchments, whether they exist or not, to be evidence of such. There would have to be something else.

If there is something else, it would mean that it's either been missed or dismissed, and if anyone wants to check up on this possibility then they obviously have to look. That's what I did, because I wanted to know. However, it would appear that you don't.

 

[TruthbeTold]

Wharfs, warehouses, homes, barns, root cellars, business buildings, outhouses with holes….what extensive engineering on the island are you referring to?

 

[gjb]

Wharfs, warehouses, homes, barns, root cellars, business buildings, outhouses with holes….what extensive engineering on the island are you referring to?

The ones that you declare emphatically never existed, despite being unable to prove that they didn't.

We don't know for a fact either way, but you declare that you do and refuse to consider possibilities simply because you've decided that everybody who's prepared to do so must be wrong.

I see no point in anyone attempting to discuss anything with you, and if this is the appalling state that the forum has come to I also see no point in participating any more.

Your sole aim here to disrupt the forum and drive people off who disagree with you is succeeding.

 

[TruthbeTold]

The ones that you declare emphatically never existed, despite being unable to prove that they didn't.

We don't know for a fact either way, but you declare that you do and refuse to consider possibilities simply because you've decided that everybody who's prepared to do so must be wrong.

I see no point in anyone attempting to discuss anything with you, and if this is the appalling state that the forum has come to I also see no point in participating any more.

Your sole aim here to disrupt the forum and drive people off who disagree with you is succeeding.

With absolutely no evidence that extensive engineering projects ever existed on the island, you assert that because no one can prove to the contrary that they did exist.

This is a common theme for those who attempt to get others to beleive in something that never existed for personal reasons such as attempting to sell books.

 

[Spanish Spinach]

Treasure was found on OI in the initial dig back in 1790's. They found 3 treasure chests and divided them equally between the 3 boys (Daniel McGinnis, John Smith and Anthony Vaughn) who dug the pit.

Therefore, in order to hide this information from the public, a non-disclosure agreement was made with the family. But after much on-line research I found an article that confirmed the treasure was in fact found and, as an Admin, presented it to the OI FB page, of which the story was authenticated. You might remember the episode of the McGinnis ancestor who had in possession a hand hammered gold cross dated back to 15th Century made in Germany? That article was later removed from the internet.

My opinion is that there is no solid evidence to prove that any more treasure really exists. All the families were sworn to secrecy of the 3 treasure chests found. To keep this secret hidden, they kept the dig going like they hadn't found anything. Therefore, in my opinion, any further digs were done to conceal the treasure find as well as prop up the value of the property on OI so they could acquire financing from investors. And this cover-up or "HOAX" continues today for the same reason. I believe the brothers might have gotten duped.

Is this a 234 year old "wild goose chase" for treasure that doesn't exist? Just look at the many excavations done over these years as well as the current holes dug so far by the Lagina's over 10-11 years of which all have not produced one single gold or silver coin.

Also, we hear conflicting stories of an "Offset Chamber" and the "Chappel vault". So, which is it? Is it just another way to dupe the public and investors into believing that no treasure had ever been found on OI when in fact there was and its now gone?

Hello everyone,

Thank you for this message... Since reading comments on Oak Island, I finally read someone who thinks like me. I was looking here for the episodes where Daniel McGinnis' great-granddaughters come to the island. It seems to me that it is season 3 episode 15 then season 4 episode 14 (it seems to me).

In the first episode they say what you report Kudo623: their ancestors found 3 treasures. Well, they seem rather to tell what was always told to them in the family and the family history was able to be appreciated... It is more positive to tell a family story which ends with a success (the discovery of 'a treasure) than on a failure (its non-discovery + bankruptcy).



But they have this golden cross... which will then be authenticated during season 4 episode 14 by an eminent specialist.



I think like you Kudo623, that these episodes this element attests to the fact that the treasure has already been discovered because no reference is ever made in the following episodes to this discovery. Besides, it even seems to me that the name of the McGinnis is no longer even mentioned.



It seems obvious to me that if Daniel McGinnis, John Smith and Anthony Vaughn, owners of the island want to sell it for the best price, they have every interest in saying that they have not discovered the treasure. This is what makes the land valuable. If they say there is no more treasure because they found it, they don't sell that land (at least certainly not at the same price).


The discovery is therefore a well-kept secret... since several treasure hunters continued the search and dramas took place.



I have no information on the reality of an agreement between the McGinnis daughters and the Laguinas but I thought about it too... It seems obvious to me.



I also think like you that the Laguina were surely fooled like all the other treasure seekers. Moreover, the quest certainly evokes the treasure (with a lot of animations, plans etc...) but above all an understanding of the history of the island which has apparently been very frequented at several times as most certainly from other places in Nova Scotia...

Thank you Kudo623 for your message.

I think that the origin of the treasure (that of the well) is also mentioned in the series.... with the logbook of the Duke of Anville which is nonetheless extremely explicit, documented and apparently authenticated.

 

[Spanish Spinach]

Autant je veux que cette légende soit vraie, autant plus j'entends de théories farfelues, moins je suis convaincu. Moi aussi, j'ai lu et relu à maintes reprises l'histoire dans le Readers' Digest il y a longtemps. Cela m'a toujours fasciné. En ce qui concerne l'intrusion d'eau, si les tunnels d'inondation sont touchés, alors ils sont au bon endroit. C'est pourquoi les tunnels sont là. Et puis, pourquoi diable devraient-ils être surpris ? Ils pensent qu'ils sont au bon endroit, et les tunnels d'inondation n'ont pas été « désactivés » lorsqu'ils ont fonctionné la première fois. Ils fonctionnent toujours.
Mon Dieu !

hm. I have no problem believing at one point many years ago something might have been there but whatever it was is probably long gone and to be honest anyone that did find and take it would never admit to it anyways otherwise they would risk having it confiscated by the various governments.

The idea of the Vikings and Templars though is a real stretch as those 2 cultures getting along is almost as insane as the "Orange Man" thinking he is the smartest man in the world these days.

The only real treasure left these days is the Lagina's and their Fellowship making a ton of money spreading misleading crap. "Could it Be?" haha. Oh well as least Rick can now afford to color out all the grey hair and maybe someone should make Jack shave so it doesn't look like some old Amish Mennonite.

One has to admit they make history funny and maybe they should try and incorporate the show into a new release of the Trailer Park Boys which i always enjoyed.

I laughed a lot when I read your message... you are absolutely right!

 

[Spanish Spinach]

I have watched from the day the lagina's landed on the island back when Marty always insisted it wasn't about treasure, rather it was about him (as the wealthy brother) trying to make Ricks childhood dream come true, and for many seasons they premised the show around that idea.

But in the last few years after the history channel hook-up each season just seems to have less real content as they started the whole fellowship thing which ties into all the advertising revenue (equipment) to the point the island got more buildings on it then it ever had and every season seems to bring more new people into the fellowship.

To me that seems to suggest that the dream is dead and the bro's know it and now its just about money and creative thinking as the ideas seem to get dumber as every new handful of dirt or piece of wood leads another attempt to tie the templars to other cultures that i really doubt would ever be associated with each other.

Marty's been a wealthy man for many years and now even his ex postal brother Rick is as well and you would think at their age why bother rolling around in the dirt and muck and not go and enjoy life rather then constantly trying to twist the original story into something its not.

Still its entertaining at times, its just easier to download and skim though at ones own leasure

It seems to me that what you are saying is absolutely right about the relationship between Rick and Marty. Rick appears as a depressed man at the start of the series. Marty seems to use his money to restore meaning to the life of his brother who seems to have lost his taste for it.
Rick is a touching person, during this end of season 11 he talks again about the child within him. This series is above all Rick's psychotherapy paid for by his brother and in that it is still a lesson in brotherly love.

 

[Spanish Spinach]

I wish they'd explain why they don't do certain things like atleast take 1 scoop out from under the big rock they picked up instead of having Marty get in there and fish around in the water to see if he finds anything. That was stupid in my opinion. They didn't even have the guy that knows about dirt take a look in there to try to determine how long the rock has been there based on the soil under and around it. I know just about every where on the island they have to have permits and or archeologists right there which is fine just let us know your waiting on permit etc. They keep talking about the swamp and every year they drain it, so go on and dredge it all out and see if anything is there. They keep tip toeing around actually doing a big dig there for some reason, yet talk about it a few times a year..

I think the reason is quite simple... there was nothing to find under the rock.
Marty throws himself into the muddy water like a desperate man because he knows what makes the series work... the doubt, the dream, the belief... he recovers this rocky aggregate which he says looks like cement... All the people around him seem skeptical by the expression on their faces.
Marty just succeeds in not collapsing all the theories based on Nolan's cross and the position of the stars by creating a doubt... where surely there should have been a certainty: this rock never been moved

 

[Spanish Spinach]

I don't know about "flood tunnels", but Billy exposed a tunnel from Smith's Cove heading toward the money pit. It was dug until the tunnel became too deep for the long arm excavator and the sides began to collapse. While it may not qualify as a flood tunnel, it was a tunnel.

So you might as well... dig a well with sections of wooden logs, blue clay.. why not... But I have a hard time imagining how tunnels starting from the ocean and going down several dozen meters underground and this over lengths of several hundred meters... could have been built... It is simply unrealistic.
And could continue to exist over the centuries.

 

[n2mini]

So you might as well... dig a well with sections of wooden logs, blue clay.. why not... But I have a hard time imagining how tunnels starting from the ocean and going down several dozen meters underground and this over lengths of several hundred meters... could have been built... It is simply unrealistic.
And could continue to exist over the centuries.

This is a reach but WHAT IF: The dirt from digging the Money Pit along with the land that later became the swamp was used to top fill the flood tunnels. Maybe built it up to then dig the money put in what would have been softer dirt/clay..

 

[TruthbeTold]

This is a reach but WHAT IF: The dirt from digging the Money Pit along with the land that later became the swamp was used to top fill the flood tunnels. Maybe built it up to then dig the money put in what would have been softer dirt/clay..

Yet zero evidence has ever been produced that proved flood tunnels existed.

"What If" and "Could it be" are the only known facts when it comes to oak island.

 

[n2mini]

There are some folks that think they were found. Not the full 5 or 6 fingers like they show on the tv animation side bars but wood with the coconut fibers to cover them and the fibers have been found buried in the correct area... Granted some other folks think they were used to extract salt from the ocean, but the boiling down method would have been easier...

 

[Spanish Spinach]

This is a reach but WHAT IF: The dirt from digging the Money Pit along with the land that later became the swamp was used to top fill the flood tunnels. Maybe built it up to then dig the money put in what would have been softer dirt/clay..

Sorry for my broken English.. I'm French.

So I'm personally terrible at manual work... but really terrible... however... I can't imagine concretely how people can build tunnels that resist the pressure of the earth, the sea... . in a wooded area which reach a few dozen meters in depth and several hundred meters in length...
That's it... I don't understand how it's possible... can someone explain to me how to go about doing this?
It's not that I'm trying to dismantle the thing... I've never questioned it but it was seeing the "cartoons" of the series... that I asked myself... but how (concretely) such tunnels could have been built...?

I only ask for a plausible and realistic explanation to believe it again.

There are some folks that think they were found. Not the full 5 or 6 fingers like they show on the tv animation side bars but wood with the coconut fibers to cover them and the fibers have been found buried in the correct area... Granted some other folks think they were used to extract salt from the ocean, but the boiling down method would have been easier...

I hear the argument that some people believe it... I find the idea of this trap fantastic... but I think that if there is a connection between the center of the island and the oceans, it is about cavities or natural porosities rather than tunnels knowingly constructed by the hand of man to build a trap... unfortunately.

And if I say unfortunately it's because I would like to think that it could be true...

But I won't let my logical mind get overwhelmed by implausible stories.

 

[n2mini]

Keep in mind the MP is not in the center of the island. Granted it is still a couple 100 feet from Smiths Cove, and people have been digging tunnels for 100' or 1000's of years. During the Vietnam war they were all over that country. Granted it's not an island but it is along the coast..

 

[Backwoodsbob]

For those who think there could be no treasure. Well there is still a lot of it. It was the Jesuit who buried it. They have a history of it. They left the clues in stone. They were French ,Spanish and Portuguese. They are the one who controlled most of it coming out of the Americas during that time. The last of them was 1767 when the last were rounded up. The whole order was disbanned shortly after that.

 

[pepperj]

With absolutely no evidence that extensive engineering projects ever existed on the island, you assert that because no one can prove to the contrary that they did exist.

This is a common theme for those who attempt to get others to beleive in something that never existed for personal reasons such as attempting to sell books.

The last 8 words is probably the closest to the honest truth.